Looking at Kens photo contest again...

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Ayrshirephotographer
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Looking at Kens photo contest again...
May 31, 2012

See the winner and more importantly the other ones' considered excellent to good:

http://www.adorama.com/ALC/BlogArticle.aspx?googleid=0013686&alias=Ken-Rockwell-Photo-Contest-Winners

To quote a guy on the comments:

" dog with a towel, a child at the beach, two jumping, people playing, a woman walking in a ghost town, a butterfly with a horrible bokeh, a bird eating, an ocean wave in B&W, a couple walking at the beach with a terrible composition ( the horizon in the middle of the photo .. ), etc ... are you kidding me?"

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And the real winner is........
In reply to Ayrshirephotographer, Jun 1, 2012

HI!

And the real winner is.....

Ken Rockwell!

For all the bashing that Ken gets, folks often miss his real talent. He's among the best photo internet entrepreneurs there is.

Just looking at the houses, cars, etc., I'm guessing Ken is in the top 1% of photographers (in terms of income).

Look what Ken has to say about himself:

"my opinions ......are the opinions of one man. I have a big sense of humor, and do this site to entertain you (and myself), as well as to inform and to educate. I occasionally weave fiction and satire into my stories to keep them interesting. I love a good hoax." /

" I have the energy and sense of humor of a three-year old, so remember, this is a personal website, and never presented as fact. I enjoy making things up for fun,"

"Maybe I'm popular because I'm completely independent." "I have no camera companies as advertisers,"/

"I've never done anything to promote this site other than to spend 12-14 hours each day adding to it, and to keep you, my reader's, long-term best interests as my only concern. '

"This is why my pages aren't cluttered with advertisements like commercial websites; "

"In 2011, I moved my family back to New York, since New York makes much more sense for doing what I do. Nikon, Canon and every other camera maker has its USA offices on Long Island near where I was born, and the world's biggest and best camera stores, as well as the press offices for all the camera makers, are all in New York City. It feels great to be back in New York!"

I tend to chuckle when folks claim Ken doesn't know much! He knows plenty and holds a number of patents:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=H002184.PN.&OS=PN/H002184&RS=PN/H002184

Last, but not least, Ken describes what seems like a fulfilling happy life with loving family friends and relatives.
There's a lot that many of us could learn from Ken!

RB

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In reply to RBFresno, Jun 1, 2012

RBFresno wrote:

HI!

And the real winner is.....

Ken Rockwell!

For all the bashing that Ken gets, folks often miss his real talent. He's among the best photo internet entrepreneurs there is.

Just looking at the houses, cars, etc., I'm guessing Ken is in the top 1% of photographers (in terms of income).

Look what Ken has to say about himself:

"my opinions ......

His opinions often don't agree with each other for no particular reason.
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In reply to bikinchris, Jun 1, 2012

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The "best" photo is not a photo at all but a painting.

FROM KEN: "What's the point of this image? A yellow band flowing smoothly from left to right. That's it; bright, bold and fun."

Hey Ken, this has nothing to do with the photograph. That was a design element used by a painter.

Can I win your contest by going to a museum and taking photos of great works of art?

The compositions with be much better than that wall painting you chose done by 5th graders.

I wouldn't give my students more than a C+ for that.

Ken, stick to gear reviews (even though they are questionable at best) and leave the photography critiques to people who know a little bit about art. My first students could write better critiques of these photographs.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

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Re: And the real winner is........
In reply to RBFresno, Jun 1, 2012

RBFresno wrote:

HI!

And the real winner is.....

Ken Rockwell!

For all the bashing that Ken gets, folks often miss his real talent. He's among the best photo internet entrepreneurs there is.

Just looking at the houses, cars, etc., I'm guessing Ken is in the top 1% of photographers (in terms of income).

Look what Ken has to say about himself:

"my opinions ......are the opinions of one man. I have a big sense of humor, and do this site to entertain you (and myself), as well as to inform and to educate. I occasionally weave fiction and satire into my stories to keep them interesting. I love a good hoax." /

" I have the energy and sense of humor of a three-year old, so remember, this is a personal website, and never presented as fact. I enjoy making things up for fun,"

"Maybe I'm popular because I'm completely independent." "I have no camera companies as advertisers,"/

"I've never done anything to promote this site other than to spend 12-14 hours each day adding to it, and to keep you, my reader's, long-term best interests as my only concern. '

"This is why my pages aren't cluttered with advertisements like commercial websites; "

"In 2011, I moved my family back to New York, since New York makes much more sense for doing what I do. Nikon, Canon and every other camera maker has its USA offices on Long Island near where I was born, and the world's biggest and best camera stores, as well as the press offices for all the camera makers, are all in New York City. It feels great to be back in New York!"

I tend to chuckle when folks claim Ken doesn't know much! He knows plenty and holds a number of patents:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=H002184.PN.&OS=PN/H002184&RS=PN/H002184

Last, but not least, Ken describes what seems like a fulfilling happy life with loving family friends and relatives.
There's a lot that many of us could learn from Ken!

RB

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Most of what you have suggested above that most people could learn from is a successful and financially rewarding career. Forgive me but that sounds a very American viewpoint which often equates financially successful as the be all and end all

Plenty on here are photo purists - he is good at marketing, these are different things

I dont see the measure of the man as how much money he makes

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In reply to RP McMurphy, Jun 1, 2012

Come on guys. Ken R obviously is focusing on the JPEG-shooting just-for-fun snappers.

I'm not a fan of KR, but still, the photos aren't bad for his target audience.

In fact, they're a lot better than some of the galleries found from the internet experts and measurbators who post here.

I'm a little disappointed with my own performance the last few weeks, to be honest. I have nothing but respect for people who have the raw courage to post a picture here, knowing how ultracritical this forum is.

Unless you're a pro, we should all be focused on enjoying and improving our chosen art form, not tearing everyone else down.

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In reply to bigpigbig, Jun 1, 2012

Read that subject line a couple of times. It's good food for thought. You can actually take credit for very little of what falls inside your photo's frame.

bigpigbig wrote:

Can I win your contest by going to a museum and taking photos of great works of art?

Yeah, actually, yes.

More food for thought...

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In reply to eNo, Jun 2, 2012

I am very interested in your ideas.

I posited that the winner of Ken's contest was hardly worthy of a photography award. Mostly because it was a photo of a two dimensional subject with flat lighting.

Your piece, on the other hand, is a very different photograph. It has a background and foreground. It has complex three dimensionality. Your position and choice of aperture, shutter speed, iso, focal length and position all contribute to making this a beautiful photograph.

So how can it be judged against a natural landscape setting? Or a portrait? Or another photo of a piece of artwork?

Well, I believe, for its photographic and artistic merits.

In your work, you created a beautiful right to left s-curve across the frame by positioning yourself in a particular way. The winner of Ken's contest did no such thing. The painter did that. All tones in your photo were a result of your choice of time, position and camera and lighting settings. Ken's was flat lit with very little variation in tone. You have turned a 3 dimensional piece into a 2 dimensional piece. Etc. Etc.

Can photos of great art BE art in and of themselves? Yes. Are they better or worse than photos of any other subject? hahahahaha, it is art critique! What makes great art?!?! There are general compositional understandings, line, form, tone, shape, etc. but...

Does the factory that created these sticks for cooking chicken deserve credit for this work? Maybe. A LITTLE bit. They are round and straight and pointy. But relatively, the position, lighting, background, etc. were artistic decisions.

eNo wrote:

Read that subject line a couple of times. It's good food for thought. You can actually take credit for very little of what falls inside your photo's frame.

bigpigbig wrote:

Can I win your contest by going to a museum and taking photos of great works of art?

Yeah, actually, yes.

More food for thought...

http://imagesbyeduardo.com/main/story-telling/what-i-believe-about-photography
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In reply to bigpigbig, Jun 2, 2012

That's always nice to hear. One thing I'd point about your shot of the sticks (which I agree is very interesting!) is that it's a "made shot," meaning arranged, set up, etc. Since you made the choice of arrangement, you can really take a lot of credit. For most of what we photograph, we have less latitude. We can't move the clouds or the mountain into a more pleasing arrangement: we must wait until something changes, or we maybe move ourselves, or use a different lens... something that will make the shot work for what we haven't made.

I find that perfect alignments of the sorts I can't control more often than not make for the most compelling shots. Made shots (I'm thinking of arranged portrait poses) can be very good (as your sticks example) or they can feel very stiff and contrived, but even when they work, it is often the more natural "fell into place organically" poses that connect most. There's something more real about them, I think, and that's why they turn out as more compelling.

I think there's talent and skill, the eye, that's still needed on our part. This next shot is an example from my own work. Again, I made very little in this shot, and I had to wait until things lined up -- and I was very blessed that dozen or so tourists had just stepped out of the frame. But for me to pull off this shot, I had to see it before it happened -- actually, I had to hope it into being because when I envisioned it, it didn't look as if things would go my way. Then, at the last second, alignment. Click. I guess I can take credit for anticipating, being ready, using the right settings and equipment (lens). But I go back again to how much of what made this shot work -- the truly essential, compelling aspects -- were entirely out of my control.

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In reply to Ayrshirephotographer, Jun 2, 2012

"6 Megapixels is all anyone needs for anything, and every camera here has two or three times that today. "

Quoted from: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm

"For most use, the 18-55mm VR lens included with the D3100 is all you'll ever need. "

Quoted from: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm

Why anyone would read anything his site as authoritative and anything more than a money grab is beyond me...

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Rich Lanthier wrote:

"6 Megapixels is all anyone needs for anything, and every camera here has two or three times that today. "

Quoted from: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm

"For most use, the 18-55mm VR lens included with the D3100 is all you'll ever need. "

Quoted from: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm

Why anyone would read anything his site as authoritative and anything more than a money grab is beyond me...

Look, I don't like KR more than the next guy, but while attacks are fun, they have to be sound. You've done nothing to show us why those two KR statements are false, perhaps because you think the reasons are self-evident, when in fact the opposite is true. Most people do quite well for themselves with 6MP and 18-55. The fact that here on DPR most of us are sophisticated enough to spend thousands of dollars on much more doesn't invalidate what KR is saying.

Now, has KR made some howlers in the past? Sure, but those two statements aren't it.

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In reply to eNo, Jun 2, 2012

This quote is interesting:

"If the artist had gone into Photoshop and replaced the dull, dark blue sky with a brilliant golden sunstar from another shot, or just drew a glowing background in Illustrator and dropped it in, we would have had our winner."

Wut?

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eNo wrote:

Made shots (I'm thinking of arranged portrait poses) can be very good (as your sticks example) or they can feel very stiff and contrived, but even when they work, it is often the more natural "fell into place organically" poses that connect most.

I think you are right and wrong.

I agree that a bit of organic arrangement can help. The sticks were flying through the air.

But a skilled photographer / artist can MAKE shots that are truly outstanding. Controlling EVERYTHING!

Have a look at some of Annie Leibovitz portrait work for a good example.

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In reply to eNo, Jun 5, 2012

Ran across this site when I googled Ken Rockwell... makes interesting reading.

http://www.anthonyhereld.com/buyer-beware-ken-rockwell/

cheers
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