★ Wed C&C (No Theme) Thread, Ed. 216, May/30/2012 ★

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★ Wed C&C (No Theme) Thread, Ed. 216, May/30/2012 ★
May 30, 2012

Welcome to the Wednesday Comments and Critique (No Theme) thread!

We’re continuing the great tradition of this C&C thread because we’re convinced that looking at and talking about images is vital for better photography, and also useful for understanding and appreciating our gear.

The idea is simple: you post an image and get critique on it, and in return give other people your opinion of their images. Or vice versa: you give others your honest feedback, and in return deserve the right to post your own picture for C&C.

Generally, you should post only one single image for C&C. As an exception, you can post two pictures resulting from one shutter release but with different treatment (for example a color and a black & white version, or a different crop) for us to choose from and comment on.

TWO RULES:

1. If you post an image, you critique at least one other image.

2. Keep your comments honest but polite; if you don’t care for an image, try to explain why. This is neither a “Good shot!” nor an image-bashing thread.

Any style, any camera. It is a peer-to-peer photography workshop!

Feedback is guaranteed (for up to 48 hours after the thread has started)! Though keep in mind that the thread tends to be busiest during the first 24 hours or so, so later image posts may get little feedback.

HOW TO PLAY:

1. Turn on "Threaded view" and reply to this post with a web-sized image. Change the title so we can sort different images out easily!

2. Get back to this thread in a minute, an hour or a day or so, and…

3. …still in threaded view, look at one or more pictures of your choice, click reply and critique it.

4. Remember to add the EXIF if your image doesn't embed it as this may help

5. Image posters: please consider telling us what your own opinion on your image is. What prompted you to click that shutter button? What did you see? Why do you like the result? You don't have to explain, but it might be interesting.

6. You are very welcome to post a group reply to the feedback you have gotten. This could include a new version of your image, taking on board the comments received. Please try not to reply individually to every comment so as not to fill up the thread on your own.

IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME, WELCOME! AND BE SURE TO READ THIS:

-► The critique you give (point 3 from the above list) is vital. What was your first impression? What catches your eye about an image? Why? What do you like, and what distracts you? What would you change?

-► Fiddle with the image in your head - composition, perspective, color balance, exposure. If the poster of the image does not object, you may even consider downloading his image and fiddling with it for real, to illustrate your point.

-► More general feedback is also welcome. Do you know something about taking the same sort of image that would make matters easier - share your own as an example in your reply. Encourage - it is a scary business putting your work up for other people to judge!

-► Finally what is the verdict? Waste-bin? Snapshot? Could be better? Family Album? Frame on wall? Poster-size frame on wall? Billboard? Reuters? World Press Photo? National Geographic? Museum? (pick your own superlative here)

Here is last week's thread:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41589742

One of the first replies is “The Related Post”. This is the place to post your general, not image-specific musings about this great enterprise called the C&C Thread.

Another of the first replies includes a link to all previous threads. This is called "Our Archives Vault".

Best Regards,

Claus.

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★ The RELATED post ★
In reply to Claus A, May 30, 2012

This is a placeholder for anything related to the C&C threads. And we do mean anything: feel free to start a discussion about the threads, or how you felt when your image was trashed by some mean know-it-all (probably not in this thread, though), or how it feels trying to say something polite about a cr @ ppy image posted for review (tough one).

This is also the place to make arrangements and share ideas for keeping this thread alive and kicking. Or for starting a new "Photo Essay" or "Series" thread, as has been suggested in the past (plenty of “Weekly” this-and-that threads around, so why not?).

The C&C group will be more than happy to consider all input.

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★ Our ARCHIVES VAULT ★
In reply to Claus A, May 30, 2012

Here is the list of all recent editions of this wonderful experiment: our weekly exercise in ruthless peer-to-peer coaching for better photography; a refuge from gear discussions.

All threads of 2008: (Jonas started this thread on April 2, 2008)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=30596254

All threads of 2009:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=34168706

All threads of 2010:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=37375543

All threads of 2011:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=40228457

Recent editions:

Week 215 May 23, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41589742

Week 214 May 16, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41527282

Week 213 May 9, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41463139

Week 212 May 2, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41396875

Week 211 April 25, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41325435

Week 210 April 18, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41252678

Week 209 April 11, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41186048

Week 208 April 4, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41120854

Week 207 (March 28, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41048511

Week 206 (March 21, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=40974792

Week 205 (March 14, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=40903433

Week 204 (March 7, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=40834051

Week 203 (February 29, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=40759254

Week 202 (February 22, 2012 – by Claus)
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Week 201 (February 15, 2012 – by Claus)
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Week 200 (February 8, 2012 – by Claus)
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Week 199 (February 1, 2012 – by Claus)
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Week 198 (January 25, 2012 – by Claus)
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Week 197 (January 18, 2012 – by Claus)
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Week 196 (January 11, 2012 – by Claus)
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Week 195 (January 4, 2012 – by Claus)
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Week 194 (December 28, 2011 – by Claus)
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Week 193 (December 21, 2011 – by Claus)
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Week 192 (December 14, 2011 – by Claus)
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Week 191 (December 7, 2011 – by Claus)
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Waiting

Thanks for looking & commenting,

Regards,

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In reply to Claus A, May 30, 2012

Hi mate, a nicely caught image, the only improvement that I can see, would be to crop out the flowers at the bottom as thet don't add to the image and lead the eye away from the well placed woman.

Regards.

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Tower...
In reply to Claus A, May 30, 2012

Hi everyone, a re-edit of a older photo through Snapseed.

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Re: Marmite Redux - Two Versions
In reply to Claus A, May 30, 2012

The one I originally posted to my Flickr account:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jason_hindle/7275064848/in/photostream

At some point, I decided the sky wasn't to my liking so I painted it with the burn brush in Aperture:

Both processed in OV2 as the raw processor with final enhancements in Aperture itself.

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In reply to Claus A, May 30, 2012

Took this photo in the footbal stadium of Boca, in Argentina. They have these screens projecting past coachs and stuff and my g/f was standing right in front of it. Right away I knew this would lend itself for a cool pic.

After playing with it for a while, decided to crop it, blow the highlights and add tons of contrast. I like the result, it looks as if she was being greeted into a space ship by some alien form of life.

C&C welcomed.

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Waiting to be crushed!!

Good catch, like the B&W treatment.

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this would be a good postcard, it is a different take of an usual subject.

I like the post II WW mood it has.

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Smith Water Canyon in Joshua Tree National Park, CA. This spot would be slick in a flash flood, which occurs almost every time it rains here in the desert. E-5 and 14-54 mm lens at 14 mm, ISO 200, f/10, 1/60 sec

The spring coming out of the sand about 1/4 mile below that slick rock surface. It's slick here too. That's a lilly of some kind about to bloom. Just above and below this was a muddy patch and thick brush but no surface water. This spring, one of a half dozen water sources in the park, serve the birds, coyotes, buckhorn sheep, bobcat and mountain lions. Squirrels and rabbits get their moisture from the seeds and plants they eat. same settings:

Another slick rock, where pools form below the spring. Even the dry parts of this granite face were too steep and smooth to descend. You need a rope to go beyond this point. 14 mm, f/6.3, 1/50 sec.

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In reply to Claus A, May 31, 2012

That's a clever capture, Claus, good use of selective focus. Without seeing the color, I suspect b&w is the right choice. She seems a little small in the photo, her humanity overwhelmed by the machines, which may be the point. But I wish I had a closer/bigger look at the subject woman. I'm also a bit distracted by the oof vegetation (or whatever it is) in the closest foreground.
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I like the effect. It is certainly different and attention-grabbing. I might even erase the face of the "coach" even more, so it is a reverse silhouette with not even those faint features showing (others may disagree with that). High key with slight color in her shirt and the stand-out blond hair.

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Rounding Up...to 54 meters
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A new ferris wheel is erected on the Seattle waterfront, and will be in operation in June. It is 175 feet high, about equivalent to a 17-storey building.

This was shot while walking past the entryway of the Seattle Aquarium.

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From a sailing trip that brought us through the Antwerp Harbour (expand the photo) :

(ZD12-60 at 25mm on E-5; 1/500 sec at F9; ISO200)

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I like the way the boats more or less match the perspective of the towers in this one. I think it could be improved by cropping off some of the bottom (3:2 ratio perhaps).

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Nice, I like the interaction between the towers and the boats, there is a sequence there.

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Zindanfel wrote:

Ferris Wheels and other large constructions are nice subjects for photos.

Most of the time, we will see those against an open sky, emphasizing their massiveness. The Ferris Wheel reaches for the heavens.

So it is a decision that goes against the grain (and that is GOOD) to constrict the Ferris Wheel's growth by including another visual element that frames the view, in this case the letters of the Aquarium sign, shown from the back. I like that.

Not only does it create a natural frame, but it also gives us a sense of context and location : this is not just any Ferris Wheel anywhere, but a Ferris Wheel in the vicinity of the Aquarium. And there is also the sense of confinement that is created, while Ferris Wheels (like any instrument of mass entertainment) is designed to tickle the "freedom & fun" nerve.

The tilted line is an added bonus.

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The boots in the pants, standing at attention.
The fireproof jacket lying ready on the truck bumper.
It all conveys a sense of urgency and - indeed - readyness.

One suggestion upon encountering such a scene, would be to try and take a subjective vantage point, and not just the objective, documentary vantage point that you employed here.

If you as the photographer were to stand right behind those boots and shoot that scene towards the truck with a wide-angle, it would place us in the not-yet-boots of the fireman : he comes sliding down the proverbial pole, and then he sees his boots nearby as a first hurdle towards the dangers ahead, and then his jacket and then it is off in the truck.

This is, of course, just a suggestion and not really a critique on the image as it is presented here.

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