Canon Talk

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bryant1108
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Canon Talk
May 30, 2012

Hey everyone! I need some help on picking out some items to go with a new SLR camera. I know next to nothing about cameras, so I came here looking for some advice! My girlfriend has been wanting to get into photography and her parents recently got her a SLR camera. The camera itself is the Canon eos rebel t3 12.2 mp. Here is a link to it on Best Buy.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Canon+-+EOS+Digital+Rebel+T3+12.2-Megapixel+Digital+SLR+Camera+Kit/1987075.p?id=1218304513854&skuId=1987075&st=canon%20eos%20rebel%20t3&cp=1&lp=8

So I read some reviews and did a little research and I thought I would get her this lens to go with it.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0011NVMO8/

As I said, I don't know anything about photography though so I am unsure and do not want to buy anything prematurely. While reading reviews for the lens and cameras, I also came along these two products.

http://www.sigmaphoto.com/shop/58mm-dg-multi-coated-uv-filter

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-250D-Close-up-A710IS-Cameras/dp/B000050M6M/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1338347068&sr=1-1

The filter seems to be good for protecting the camera and lens, and the second lens seems good for close ups? As I said I don't really know. If anyone who knows more about these things could give me some feedback, it would be greatly appreciated. Mostly I want to know how good these products are and would a person relatively new to SLR cameras and photography like them/ make use out of them. Thank you in advance for reading all of this! I am a little over-whelmed and wanted to be thorough.

Canon EOS 1100D (EOS Rebel T3 / EOS Kiss X50)
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bryant1108 wrote:

Hey everyone! I need some help on picking out some items to go with a new SLR camera. I know next to nothing about cameras, so I came here looking for some advice! My girlfriend has been wanting to get into photography and her parents recently got her a SLR camera. The camera itself is the Canon eos rebel t3 12.2 mp. Here is a link to it on Best Buy.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Canon+-+EOS+Digital+Rebel+T3+12.2-Megapixel+Digital+SLR+Camera+Kit/1987075.p?id=1218304513854&skuId=1987075&st=canon%20eos%20rebel%20t3&cp=1&lp=8

So I read some reviews and did a little research and I thought I would get her this lens to go with it.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0011NVMO8/

That would work. It is a good compliment to the 18-55 mm that comes with the camera in the link you provided.

On the other hand, does she want or need the lens? Maybe after using the camera for a while she will find she wants to go wider angle rather than more telephoto. Or maybe she will find a need for wider apertures for lower light photography or a shallower depth of field.

I wouldn’t buy a lens without a need for it. What does she find lacking with the 18-55 mm that came with the camera?

As I said, I don't know anything about photography though so I am unsure and do not want to buy anything prematurely. While reading reviews for the lens and cameras, I also came along these two products.

http://www.sigmaphoto.com/shop/58mm-dg-multi-coated-uv-filter

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-250D-Close-up-A710IS-Cameras/dp/B000050M6M/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1338347068&sr=1-1

The filter seems to be good for protecting the camera and lens,

… against what? The filter will not protect the camera and digital sensors aren’t sensitive to UV light. UV filters are a waste of money, If you want to protect the front end of the lens, then buy a lens hood for it. A lens hood would also give you some protection against flare, unlike a UV filter which will induce flare in certain situations.

and the second lens seems good for close ups?

The Canon 250D is an excellent supplementary close up lens. It will give more magnification on a telephoto lens than the kit lens, but will work fine with the 18-55 mm too. They aren’t the easiest things to work with. The 250D has a focal length of 250 mm and that will be the maximum working distance of the combination when attached to a normal lens – in other words you will not be able to focus on anything more than 25 cm away without removing it.

As I said I don't really know… I am a little over-whelmed and wanted to be thorough.

I would wait until you find out what you do need rather than speculating on possibilities. Use the camera and the kit lens for a while and work out where you want to go from there (if anywhere).

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The 55-250 mm lens is a fantastic one in terms of bang for your buck. I got mine very cheap to replace a Sigma 18-200 mm lens that was worse than garbage at about four times the price and the 55-250 has been a magnificent performer. It was one of the standard kit lenses (sold with a new camera as an extended kit) so the optics are great while they cut corners on general build (same as the standard 18-55mm kit lens). After all if they want their product to impress straight out of the box they won't get there with a lousy lens. Basically if you treat it with respect it will do really well. Never force any of the actions on it for eg. or try to rotate stubborn filters off it without holding a non moving part of the barrel relative to the filter. The mechanism is comprised of toughened plastic sprockets that could strip (never done it but seen some that have) but with just a little care it's not a problem.

The UV filter is a good idea for protection of both lenses (both the same filter size) but some here will say otherwise. Don't listen to them.

The close up lens you could go for but it depends on how close you want to go. I have had interesting results just from using the 55-250mm on long zoom. It focuses pretty close for this type of lens and I have gotten some nice flowers and insects but of course the close-up lens filter will extend this even further.

To do better than these you could be looking at adding about $1000 to your purchase so these will do great for a beginner or even advanced amateur on a budget.
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bryant1108 wrote:

Hey everyone! I need some help on picking out some items to go with a new SLR camera. I know next to nothing about cameras, so I came here looking for some advice! My girlfriend has been wanting to get into photography and her parents recently got her a SLR camera. The camera itself is the Canon eos rebel t3 12.2 mp. Here is a link to it on Best Buy.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Canon+-+EOS+Digital+Rebel+T3+12.2-Megapixel+Digital+SLR+Camera+Kit/1987075.p?id=1218304513854&skuId=1987075&st=canon%20eos%20rebel%20t3&cp=1&lp=8

So I read some reviews and did a little research and I thought I would get her this lens to go with it.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0011NVMO8/

As I said, I don't know anything about photography though so I am unsure and do not want to buy anything prematurely. While reading reviews for the lens and cameras, I also came along these two products.

http://www.sigmaphoto.com/shop/58mm-dg-multi-coated-uv-filter

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-250D-Close-up-A710IS-Cameras/dp/B000050M6M/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1338347068&sr=1-1

The filter seems to be good for protecting the camera and lens, and the second lens seems good for close ups? As I said I don't really know. If anyone who knows more about these things could give me some feedback, it would be greatly appreciated. Mostly I want to know how good these products are and would a person relatively new to SLR cameras and photography like them/ make use out of them. Thank you in advance for reading all of this! I am a little over-whelmed and wanted to be thorough.

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First off, UV filters are useless (as in they don't protect the lens, and make image quality worse). You can find examples on these forums of people taking pictures with and without them that show the effect. Claims of protection are also dubious it's a thin piece of glass...

Close-up lens : good for macro, but image quality will suffer a little. Depends on what she wants to shoot.

Lens: this is a tele. A nice alternative for someone who wants to get into photography is a 35mm or 50mm prime. Canon does not have a cheap 35mm one, so the EF 50mm f/1.8 II is the way to go. It's cheap, and will allow your girlfriend to control depth of field (blur the background), which is nice on portraits etc. It also allows to take pictures when there is less light available.

bryant1108 wrote:

Hey everyone! I need some help on picking out some items to go with a new SLR camera. I know next to nothing about cameras, so I came here looking for some advice! My girlfriend has been wanting to get into photography and her parents recently got her a SLR camera. The camera itself is the Canon eos rebel t3 12.2 mp. Here is a link to it on Best Buy.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Canon+-+EOS+Digital+Rebel+T3+12.2-Megapixel+Digital+SLR+Camera+Kit/1987075.p?id=1218304513854&skuId=1987075&st=canon%20eos%20rebel%20t3&cp=1&lp=8

So I read some reviews and did a little research and I thought I would get her this lens to go with it.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0011NVMO8/

As I said, I don't know anything about photography though so I am unsure and do not want to buy anything prematurely. While reading reviews for the lens and cameras, I also came along these two products.

http://www.sigmaphoto.com/shop/58mm-dg-multi-coated-uv-filter

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-250D-Close-up-A710IS-Cameras/dp/B000050M6M/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1338347068&sr=1-1

The filter seems to be good for protecting the camera and lens, and the second lens seems good for close ups? As I said I don't really know. If anyone who knows more about these things could give me some feedback, it would be greatly appreciated. Mostly I want to know how good these products are and would a person relatively new to SLR cameras and photography like them/ make use out of them. Thank you in advance for reading all of this! I am a little over-whelmed and wanted to be thorough.

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You know what is the very first thing I got with my camera : a strap that does not suck, unlike the one included by the manufacturer. That means something nicely padded so when you have the camera around your neck, it doesn't become painful after 5 minutes walking around.

Plus they come in pretty girly colors if your gal is into this kind of stuff, making it a more personal gift than a close-up lens.

Example :

http://www.dailygrommet.com/products/capturing-couture-fashion-camera-straps-and-wristlets

bryant1108 wrote:

Hey everyone! I need some help on picking out some items to go with a new SLR camera. I know next to nothing about cameras, so I came here looking for some advice! My girlfriend has been wanting to get into photography and her parents recently got her a SLR camera. The camera itself is the Canon eos rebel t3 12.2 mp. Here is a link to it on Best Buy.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Canon+-+EOS+Digital+Rebel+T3+12.2-Megapixel+Digital+SLR+Camera+Kit/1987075.p?id=1218304513854&skuId=1987075&st=canon%20eos%20rebel%20t3&cp=1&lp=8

So I read some reviews and did a little research and I thought I would get her this lens to go with it.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0011NVMO8/

As I said, I don't know anything about photography though so I am unsure and do not want to buy anything prematurely. While reading reviews for the lens and cameras, I also came along these two products.

http://www.sigmaphoto.com/shop/58mm-dg-multi-coated-uv-filter

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-250D-Close-up-A710IS-Cameras/dp/B000050M6M/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1338347068&sr=1-1

The filter seems to be good for protecting the camera and lens, and the second lens seems good for close ups? As I said I don't really know. If anyone who knows more about these things could give me some feedback, it would be greatly appreciated. Mostly I want to know how good these products are and would a person relatively new to SLR cameras and photography like them/ make use out of them. Thank you in advance for reading all of this! I am a little over-whelmed and wanted to be thorough.

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apiron wrote:

You know what is the very first thing I got with my camera : a strap that does not suck, unlike the one included by the manufacturer. That means something nicely padded so when you have the camera around your neck, it doesn't become painful after 5 minutes walking around.

Plus they come in pretty girly colors if your gal is into this kind of stuff, making it a more personal gift than a close-up lens.

Example :

http://www.dailygrommet.com/products/capturing-couture-fashion-camera-straps-and-wristlets

http://www.modstraps.com/ too...

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If neither of you know anything about photography { & we were all in the same boat once ourselves } then a couple of good books to explain the basics before you part with your cash on extra lenses would be a good idea. The "For Dummies" series is good for a start. Don't be offended by the title, lots of us {myself included} started with it. If you have the 18-55 IS {Image Stabilisation} then learn what it can do, it really is a very good lens. The 55-250 IS that you have looked at, is a natural addition & the 2 lenses will probably cover 95% of your needs while you learn the basics. I would leave the close-up lens alone for now, it's more for macro photography, which you may want to get into later, but for now, I would say, basics, basics, basics. As for UV lenses, it's a never ending debate as to their value. I bought them when I first started, mainly because the salesman said I needed them to protect my lenses. I am very carefull with my stuff so have not put them to the test. It's a 50/50 call. There are also some good YOU TUBE tutorial videos as well. One I used & still do, is a site called Cameralabs with Gordon Laing. Shoot plenty of pics, they don't cost anything to delete & take again. Learn by your mistakes, like everyone else, you will make plenty. Ask questions either people you know or on here. there is plenty of help available. Enjoy the journey. lee uk

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Why not spend the money on an SLR for you so you can share in her new endeavor. My gal and I have a great deal of fun together. She often goes on my shoots, then we go off together when they are over. Because she shoots Nikon like me, we can share a lot of glass and other things.

Don't get a protective filter. Get a hood instead if it doesn't have one. A closeup lens can be fun. Quit thinking about how to blow money on accessories and more on how to take great pictures. Like I said, you should get involved. She's like that over a lens.

From time to time, people ask about protective filters as if a paper thin piece of glass will protect anything. Others say to better be safe than sorry. The problem is that filters degrade, even good ones to some extent or another. About as often as someone asks about filters, there's another post somewhere on the forums where a person's problem has been solved by the removal of a protective filter. The filter believers tend to ignore these. Here's the latest I can remember from 12 days ago.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1002&message=41562202

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bryant1108 wrote:

Hey everyone! I need some help on picking out some items to go with a new SLR camera. I know next to nothing about cameras, so I came here looking for some advice! My girlfriend has been wanting to get into photography and her parents recently got her a SLR camera. The camera itself is the Canon eos rebel t3 12.2 mp. Here is a link to it on Best Buy.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Canon+-+EOS+Digital+Rebel+T3+12.2-Megapixel+Digital+SLR+Camera+Kit/1987075.p?id=1218304513854&skuId=1987075&st=canon%20eos%20rebel%20t3&cp=1&lp=8

So I read some reviews and did a little research and I thought I would get her this lens to go with it.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0011NVMO8/

As I said, I don't know anything about photography though so I am unsure and do not want to buy anything prematurely. While reading reviews for the lens and cameras, I also came along these two products.

http://www.sigmaphoto.com/shop/58mm-dg-multi-coated-uv-filter

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-250D-Close-up-A710IS-Cameras/dp/B000050M6M/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1338347068&sr=1-1

The filter seems to be good for protecting the camera and lens, and the second lens seems good for close ups? As I said I don't really know. If anyone who knows more about these things could give me some feedback, it would be greatly appreciated. Mostly I want to know how good these products are and would a person relatively new to SLR cameras and photography like them/ make use out of them. Thank you in advance for reading all of this! I am a little over-whelmed and wanted to be thorough.

Don't get the UV "close-up" filters !

And instead of the T3 consider the Canon T2i (550D) - the T2i has more features and is around $500 with the 18-55IS kit lens. The Canon 55-250IS can be bought for less than $200

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The previous posters have given good points and I will recap:

1. Your GF already has a T3 camera with kit lens.

2. Put your GF's gear into work. Use it as much as possible. Experiment. At the same time, try to learn more about photography from books, learning centers on the net or by asking on the photographic fora. The Canon forum on POTN (Photography-on-the-net) has a good number of Canon users who are helpful and provide tips or answers.

3. After using the gear for a while, your GF will have the knowledge to determine the additional accessories, lenses, tripods, external flash, etc. Maximize your use of the gear before making additional purchases or upgrades.

4. The bottom line is to take photos and have fun.

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Aside from a good beginner's book on exposure and a tripod, the most useful component for me as a beginner was a fast "prime" lens.

In this case the 50mm f/1.8 would be a perfect learning tool and ridiculously inexpensive.

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Why not spend the money on an SLR for you so you can share in her new endeavor. My gal and I have a great deal of fun together. She often goes on my shoots, then we go off together when they are over. Because she shoots Nikon like me, we can share a lot of glass and other things.

Don't get a protective filter. Get a hood instead if it doesn't have one. A closeup lens can be fun. Quit thinking about how to blow money on accessories and more on how to take great pictures. Like I said, you should get involved. She's like that over a lens.

From time to time, people ask about protective filters as if a paper thin piece of glass will protect anything. Others say to better be safe than sorry. The problem is that filters degrade, even good ones to some extent or another. About as often as someone asks about filters, there's another post somewhere on the forums where a person's problem has been solved by the removal of a protective filter. The filter believers tend to ignore these. Here's the latest I can remember from 12 days ago.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1002&message=41562202

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I will completly endorse Craig'sadvice to get involved with your girl in this. My previous hobby was golf & my wife had no interest in it at all. I took up a lot of time & money. Since I took up photography, to my surprise, she became interested also, & bought her own camera. We now fo out together with an common interest, & it really is great. We both wish we had done it years ago. We have been married 40 yrs & its the first hobby we have shared. Better late than never! lee uk

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Hi Lee. It is great isn't it? When I met Jan over 20 years ago, she actually had a darkroom set up. I knew I'd found the woman of my dreams. It's been wonderful. She goes on most of my shoots and has one of the best artistic eyes of anyone I've known.

Jan used to go fishing with me, but I knew she just did it because I did. Photography is something of a passion for both.

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Hi Craig. Same here. Sue & I went to Florida about 20 times, sometimes 2-3 times a year. I played golf & she drove the cart & she liked being out on the course, but had no interest in the game. We are both retired, she had to because her father has terminal cancer & her mother is in poor health, so she being an only child, is hard pressed to get a lot of time to herself. I look after her dad when I can so she & her mom can have a break. I don't want to become a bleeding heart or anything, my point is that photography has helped us take our minds off other sad things. Like your Jan, Sue has a very keen eye for a shot. It's like I will see the big picture,{the building say} she will see the smaller detail like a carving on the wall or an unusual shaped window or something I just failed to notice. So we photograph the same object, but take completely different pictures. Anway, enough of that. It's just great to share something like that. It might not be the same if I had to come home taking some great shots & have to keep it to myself. Joy in sharring. thanks Craig & good shooting to you & your lady. lee uk

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the 55-250IS will give her a well rounded kit. I have the 18-55, 55-250, and the 50mm II and they're all outstanding lenses for the price.

The UV filters aren't really needed. I used to use them, I don't anymore. I think a lens hood would be a better purchase. You can find remakes of the hoods that are much cheaper than the canon ones and look/feel exactly the same.

Another lens you could get would be the 50mm f1.8. It's very inexpensive and can produce some really stunning images.

You could also get her a tripod, and a camera bag if she doesn't already have one. Some books would be good too. Just some other ideas

It is also a great idea to participate. My girlfriend loves being my subject when I'm playing around with lenses, and when I go out to do some nature photography I always give her my sx230hs to shoot with and I like to teach her tips/tricks on how to use it. It's a good way to "bond" and spend time with one another.
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Lee, next time you visit Florida, you'll have to call and we'll go out to eat or something. I live in Orlando. My email address is public to members here. Just let me know. Sounds to me like we're around the same age.
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