Germany sets record from Solar Power

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May 28, 2012

Thanks to the barbarians of the Republican Party, the US is abandoning science in favor of prayer.

Alternative energy, still in its infancy, is being pioneered by Europe, China and Japan. So while the lunatics of the Right have decided to make question of energy, "Political Questions," in which supporting in investing in the future proves your Communist leanings, the rest of the world presses on, probably unaware that the poliitcal debate in the United States is actually a debate on science itself -

(Reuters) - German solar power plants produced a world record 22 gigawatts of electricity per hour - equal to 20 nuclear power stations at full capacity - through the midday hours on Friday and Saturday, the head of a renewable energy think tank said.

The German government decided to abandon nuclear power after the Fukushima nuclear disaster last year, closing eight plants immediately and shutting down the remaining nine by 2022.

They will be replaced by renewable energy sources such as wind, solar and bio-mass.

Norbert Allnoch, director of the Institute of the Renewable Energy Industry (IWR) in Muenster, said the 22 gigawatts of solar power per hour fed into the national grid on Saturday met nearly 50 percent of the nation's midday electricity needs.

"Never before anywhere has a country produced as much photovoltaic electricity," Allnoch told Reuters. "Germany came close to the 20 gigawatt (GW) mark a few times in recent weeks. But this was the first time we made it over."

The record-breaking amount of solar power shows one of the world's leading industrial nations was able to meet a third of its electricity needs on a work day, Friday, and nearly half on Saturday when factories and offices were closed.

Government-mandated support for renewables has helped Germany became a world leader in renewable energy and the country gets about 20 percent of its overall annual electricity from those sources.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/26/us-climate-germany-solar-idUSBRE84P0FI20120526

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Yes, seen it mentioned here, too: http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/solarzellen-liefern-leistung-von-20-atomkraftwerken-a-835417.html (German language)

But I must say on that Friday we had absolutely blue skies all over Germany, doesn't happen very often.

And the real problem with renewable energies over here seems to be the missing grid and politicians who are not really sure which way to go: "Energy Revolution Interruptus -- Germany Stalled on the Expressway to a Green Future":

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-s-energy-revolution-stalls-without-decisiveness-and-incentives-a-834565.html

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René Schuster wrote:

Yes, seen it mentioned here, too: http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/solarzellen-liefern-leistung-von-20-atomkraftwerken-a-835417.html (German language)

But I must say on that Friday we had absolutely blue skies all over Germany, doesn't happen very often.

And the real problem with renewable energies over here seems to be the missing grid and politicians who are not really sure which way to go: "Energy Revolution Interruptus -- Germany Stalled on the Expressway to a Green Future":

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-s-energy-revolution-stalls-without-decisiveness-and-incentives-a-834565.html

René

There are already projects being studied to cover the Sahara with photovoltaic panels and transmit the power to Europe. It will happen, North Africa could do with the revenue.
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René Schuster wrote:

Yes, seen it mentioned here, too: http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/solarzellen-liefern-leistung-von-20-atomkraftwerken-a-835417.html (German language)

But I must say on that Friday we had absolutely blue skies all over Germany, doesn't happen very often.

And the real problem with renewable energies over here seems to be the missing grid and politicians who are not really sure which way to go: "Energy Revolution Interruptus -- Germany Stalled on the Expressway to a Green Future":

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-s-energy-revolution-stalls-without-decisiveness-and-incentives-a-834565.html

René

Alternative energy, including solar, is, as I said, "in it's infancy."

There are those of course, (Mostly in America) who base their argument by demanding if these sources can replace oil and coal, the day after tommorow.

And if you answer no, then they demand you abandon these energy sources -

As if to say that the horse was replaced by the internal combustion engine in a month...

"See, I told yas, these people ADMIT that alternative energy is a boondoggle that can't even replace oil by next week. It's just a waste of money, a fantasy dreamed up by tree huggers and communists"

These modern day "luddites" don't even have the justification of the originals, who at least were terrified of losing their jobs and incomes. No, these new luddites are dressed up in political rags, in which their politics are knee jerk reactions to anything they can hang a lable on. Environmentalism is evil, therefore alternative energy is evil.

The horriible thing about the above is that I am NOT simplfying the argument. Science is no longer a question of examining facts, but of examining politics. A real recipe for disaster.

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Chato wrote:

René Schuster wrote:

Yes, seen it mentioned here, too: http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/solarzellen-liefern-leistung-von-20-atomkraftwerken-a-835417.html (German language)

But I must say on that Friday we had absolutely blue skies all over Germany, doesn't happen very often.

And the real problem with renewable energies over here seems to be the missing grid and politicians who are not really sure which way to go: "Energy Revolution Interruptus -- Germany Stalled on the Expressway to a Green Future":

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-s-energy-revolution-stalls-without-decisiveness-and-incentives-a-834565.html

René

Alternative energy, including solar, is, as I said, "in it's infancy."

There are those of course, (Mostly in America) who base their argument by demanding that if these sources can't replace oil and coal, the day after tommorow, then their a failure

And if you answer no, then they demand you abandon these energy sources -

As if to say that the horse was replaced by the internal combustion engine in a month...

"See, I told yas, these people ADMIT that alternative energy is a boondoggle that can't even replace oil by next week. It's just a waste of money, a fantasy dreamed up by tree huggers and communists"

These modern day "luddites" don't even have the justification of the originals, who at least were terrified of losing their jobs and incomes. No, these new luddites are dressed up in political rags, in which their politics are knee jerk reactions to anything they can hang a lable on. Environmentalism is evil, therefore alternative energy is evil.

The horriible thing about the above is that I am NOT simplfying the argument. Science is no longer a question of examining facts, but of examining politics. A real recipe for disaster.

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bobn2 wrote:

There are already projects being studied to cover the Sahara with photovoltaic panels and transmit the power to Europe. It will happen, North Africa could do with the revenue.

Will be a long way from the Sahara to Norway!

"Norway Wants to Become Europe's Battery" http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/norway-wants-to-offer-hydroelectric-resources-to-europe-a-835037.html

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Chato wrote:

Thanks to the barbarians of the Republican Party, the US is abandoning science in favor of prayer.

You lost your argument right here.

So whats holding up the liberals? Promises, promises, thats all we hear, and all we have to date are liberal companies and their CEO's stuffing their pockets, feeding off the welfare State.

Yes, the liberals have held the majority of corporate holdings, and in turn vast lobby control of congress in the US for well over 20yrs.

Who the hell is in charge now!

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René Schuster wrote:

bobn2 wrote:

There are already projects being studied to cover the Sahara with photovoltaic panels and transmit the power to Europe. It will happen, North Africa could do with the revenue.

Will be a long way from the Sahara to Norway!

"Norway Wants to Become Europe's Battery" http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/norway-wants-to-offer-hydroelectric-resources-to-europe-a-835037.html

Not so far, power grids run that far already. Norway has a really interesting technology that generates hydro power using the osmosis of salt water into fresh, they can do it wherever a river meets the sea, and there is a lot of that in Norway.
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taintedcamera wrote:

Chato wrote:

Thanks to the barbarians of the Republican Party, the US is abandoning science in favor of prayer.

You lost your argument right here.

I would call Mr. Romeny a moderate on alternative energy compared to the Party as a whole - Even so, he wants us to abandon investing in alternate energy supplies, and is not shy about saying so.

As the Obama administration wages war against oil and coal, it has been spending billions of dollars on alternative energy forms and touting its creation of “green” jobs. But it seems to be operating more on faith than on fact-based economic calculation. The “green” technologies are typically far too expensive to compete in the marketplace, and studies have shown that for every “green” job created there are actually more jobs destroyed. Unsurprisingly, this costly government investment has failed to create an economic boom.

Government has a role to play in innovation in the energy industry. History shows that the United States has moved forward in astonishing ways thanks to national investment in basic research and advanced technology. However, we should not be in the business of steering investment toward particular politically favored approaches. That is a recipe for both time and money wasted on projects that do not bring us dividends. The failure of windmills and solar plants to become economically viable or make a significant contribution to our energy supply is a prime example.
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/energy

Now it should be pointed out, that no industry recieves more government susbsidies then oil and coal, unless you count nuclear energy, which wouldn't even exist without subsidies.

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Chato wrote:

Alternative energy, including solar, is, as I said, "in it's infancy."

There are those of course, (Mostly in America) who base their argument by demanding if these sources can replace oil and coal, the day after tommorow.

And if you answer no, then they demand you abandon these energy sources -

As if to say that the horse was replaced by the internal combustion engine in a month...

"See, I told yas, these people ADMIT that alternative energy is a boondoggle that can't even replace oil by next week. It's just a waste of money, a fantasy dreamed up by tree huggers and communists"

These modern day "luddites" don't even have the justification of the originals, who at least were terrified of losing their jobs and incomes. No, these new luddites are dressed up in political rags, in which their politics are knee jerk reactions to anything they can hang a lable on. Environmentalism is evil, therefore alternative energy is evil.

The horriible thing about the above is that I am NOT simplfying the argument. Science is no longer a question of examining facts, but of examining politics. A real recipe for disaster.

Yes, can't say I like the American approach to renewable energy! Could have been such a great chance to become #1 once more in a new field of technology!

Over here it was the owners of the nuclear power plants, who were always painting doomsday scenarios if they would have to turn off their nukes. But after Fukushima they had no chance anymore to win against politicians and the public opinion. And, big surprise, the world didn't come to an end without the old nukes!

Just like Greece; all we hear from the bankers is if Greece gets out of the € the European world will collapse, total BS. Actually they might get back on their feet again pretty quick and that is what actually scares the bankers as others might decide to go the same route. The euro is mainly a tool of the financial elite, invented by the Bilderbergers; without it the bankers will lose some money but, most of all, they will lose the total control they have at the moment over Greece to play their dirty austerity measures experiment of how far they can go. And our Zionist Merkel happily helps them, a shame!

Btw, do you know what will be going on at the Westfields Marriot in Chantilly, VA, next weekend, May 31st until June 3rd??? Time for the pitchforks, lol! I think after that weekend the globalists will have made up their mind if the next one will be Romney or if they get their wanted Iran war even with Obama and let him play one more term.

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agreed. We are falling further behind. The rest of th eworld will be using alternate power sources and we will still be fighting wars to gain access to oil.

Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.

The US should have been working toward better alternative sources since Jimmy Carter called for this in the 1970's.

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Nobody has the guts to make gas more expensive by taxing it into oblivion. Where will they find the nerve to tell us we now have to multiply our Kw-hour charge by a factor of 3?

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Chato wrote:

Thanks to the barbarians of the Republican Party, the US is abandoning science in favor of prayer.

Uhh? you clipped my Quote.

Again you lost your argument right there.
I'll put back what you took out.... not that it matters.

You lost your argument right here.

So whats holding up the liberals? Promises, promises, thats all we hear, and all we have to date are liberal companies and their CEO's stuffing their pockets, feeding off the welfare State.

Yes, the liberals have held the majority of corporate holdings, and in turn vast lobby control of congress in the US for well over 20yrs.

Who the hell is in charge now!

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taintedcamera wrote:

Chato wrote:

Thanks to the barbarians of the Republican Party, the US is abandoning science in favor of prayer.

Uhh? you clipped my Quote.

Again you lost your argument right there.
I'll put back what you took out.... not that it matters.

Which is why I clipped it...

Actually, my apology. I read the first line and didn't go any further. I would "swear" you didn't write anything else.

Obviously apologies are in order.

You lost your argument right here.

So whats holding up the liberals? Promises, promises, thats all we hear, and all we have to date are liberal companies and their CEO's stuffing their pockets, feeding off the welfare State.

Yes, the liberals have held the majority of corporate holdings, and in turn vast lobby control of congress in the US for well over 20yrs.

Who the hell is in charge now!

We have chosen NOT to invest in alternative enegy. And this is because psuedo Conservatives have labeled every dime of government money put into research as Socialism. And the Democratic Party, which is not particulertely liberal as a party, has caved to the above. And the so called Liberal Media, while it reports every scandal is strangely silent on every success.

So US manufacturing is working under the handicapn of competing with places like China, or Germany where government does do basic research, and as a result has superior products.

And , as I've shown, the response of the Republicans is to simply abandon the entire technology, completely ignoring the potential. One hesitates to think of America if Government hadn't invested in rairoads, back in the 1860's...

Now Republicans call investing in High Speed rail, Science fiction, while the rest of the world embraces it....

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bikinchris wrote:

The US should have been working toward better alternative sources since Jimmy Carter called for this in the 1970's.

Progress (slide 4):

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gigawatts per hour doesn't make any sense. should be just gigawatts.

that said, minus the republican remark, I fully agree the U.S. should be leading the charge of solar energy.

Chato wrote:

Thanks to the barbarians of the Republican Party, the US is abandoning science in favor of prayer.

Alternative energy, still in its infancy, is being pioneered by Europe, China and Japan. So while the lunatics of the Right have decided to make question of energy, "Political Questions," in which supporting in investing in the future proves your Communist leanings, the rest of the world presses on, probably unaware that the poliitcal debate in the United States is actually a debate on science itself -

(Reuters) - German solar power plants produced a world record 22 gigawatts of electricity per hour - equal to 20 nuclear power stations at full capacity - through the midday hours on Friday and Saturday, the head of a renewable energy think tank said.

The German government decided to abandon nuclear power after the Fukushima nuclear disaster last year, closing eight plants immediately and shutting down the remaining nine by 2022.

They will be replaced by renewable energy sources such as wind, solar and bio-mass.

Norbert Allnoch, director of the Institute of the Renewable Energy Industry (IWR) in Muenster, said the 22 gigawatts of solar power per hour fed into the national grid on Saturday met nearly 50 percent of the nation's midday electricity needs.

"Never before anywhere has a country produced as much photovoltaic electricity," Allnoch told Reuters. "Germany came close to the 20 gigawatt (GW) mark a few times in recent weeks. But this was the first time we made it over."

The record-breaking amount of solar power shows one of the world's leading industrial nations was able to meet a third of its electricity needs on a work day, Friday, and nearly half on Saturday when factories and offices were closed.

Government-mandated support for renewables has helped Germany became a world leader in renewable energy and the country gets about 20 percent of its overall annual electricity from those sources.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/26/us-climate-germany-solar-idUSBRE84P0FI20120526

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Not so far, power grids run that far already. Norway has a really interesting technology that generates hydro power using the osmosis of salt water into fresh,

Sounds interesting, but osmosis works the other way around.

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Brian wrote:

gigawatts per hour doesn't make any sense. should be just gigawatts.

that said, minus the republican remark, I fully agree the U.S. should be leading the charge of solar energy.

And wind, water, battery technology and thing we haven't even thought of yet.

WE should be the middle east of energy in the next several centuries. But instead, we are catering to the oil industry.

Chato wrote:

Thanks to the barbarians of the Republican Party, the US is abandoning science in favor of prayer.

Alternative energy, still in its infancy, is being pioneered by Europe, China and Japan. So while the lunatics of the Right have decided to make question of energy, "Political Questions," in which supporting in investing in the future proves your Communist leanings, the rest of the world presses on, probably unaware that the poliitcal debate in the United States is actually a debate on science itself -

(Reuters) - German solar power plants produced a world record 22 gigawatts of electricity per hour - equal to 20 nuclear power stations at full capacity - through the midday hours on Friday and Saturday, the head of a renewable energy think tank said.

The German government decided to abandon nuclear power after the Fukushima nuclear disaster last year, closing eight plants immediately and shutting down the remaining nine by 2022.

They will be replaced by renewable energy sources such as wind, solar and bio-mass.

Norbert Allnoch, director of the Institute of the Renewable Energy Industry (IWR) in Muenster, said the 22 gigawatts of solar power per hour fed into the national grid on Saturday met nearly 50 percent of the nation's midday electricity needs.

"Never before anywhere has a country produced as much photovoltaic electricity," Allnoch told Reuters. "Germany came close to the 20 gigawatt (GW) mark a few times in recent weeks. But this was the first time we made it over."

The record-breaking amount of solar power shows one of the world's leading industrial nations was able to meet a third of its electricity needs on a work day, Friday, and nearly half on Saturday when factories and offices were closed.

Government-mandated support for renewables has helped Germany became a world leader in renewable energy and the country gets about 20 percent of its overall annual electricity from those sources.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/26/us-climate-germany-solar-idUSBRE84P0FI20120526

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bobn2 wrote:

Not so far, power grids run that far already. Norway has a really interesting technology that generates hydro power using the osmosis of salt water into fresh,

Sounds interesting, but osmosis works the other way around.

You, you're right, it does. Let me rephrase,

Norway has a really interesting technology that generates hydro power using the osmosis of fresh water into salt
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Brian wrote:

gigawatts per hour doesn't make any sense. should be just gigawatts.

that said, minus the republican remark, I fully agree the U.S. should be leading the charge of solar energy.

Unfair to mention Republicans?
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