Interesting Debate and Review of D800E vs Leica M Monochrom

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Interesting Debate and Review of D800E vs Leica M Monochrom
May 27, 2012
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In reply to esophoria, May 27, 2012

his use of the Nikon 45/2.8 AI-P pancake invalidates the test, imo.. thats too bad

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http://blog.mingthein.com/2012/05/27/leica-m-monochrom-vs-d800e/

Some interesting insights....

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In reply to Jogger, May 27, 2012

His reviews are always quite impressive and detailed. More of a photographer's review rather than all specs and technical garbage.
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In reply to esophoria, May 27, 2012

Before I read it, why is it interesting?

Can I exchange my Nikon lenses (fully) with the Crippled M9 ...or vise versa?

Michel

esophoria wrote:

http://blog.mingthein.com/2012/05/27/leica-m-monochrom-vs-d800e/

Some interesting insights....

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esophoria wrote:

http://blog.mingthein.com/2012/05/27/leica-m-monochrom-vs-d800e/

Some interesting insights....

as usual. i think ming does great 'real world' or photographer's reviews. he tends to focus on the final image and the camera's ability to deliver a file suitable for producing a final print, which is really what it's all about, as anyone who used to use the zone system or has read ansel adam's excellent series full well knows.

it also doesn't hurt that he's a very good photographer and that his sample photos are drastically better than the normal testing fare.

the two cameras appear to be quite an even match. i've always liked a lower contrast approach and shot a lot of astia for colour in the film days. for lenses, that approach was exemplified by leica and minolta with their rokkors, whereas zeiss, canon and nikon exemplified the dink-out contrast approach. digital changed that with the ability to do so much more in post...i'd be interested to work with some files from both to see if some of that extra contrast in the nikon made much of a difference or could be dealt with.

regardless, i really do like leica for its size and operational simplicity and stealth but i simply can't justify the ridiculous cost and the even more ridiculous wait times for delivery of new lenses. happy to see the nikon/45p combo hold it's own for about 1/3 the cost. also great to see that leica is delivering some interesting, specialized enthusiast cameras. good time to be a photographer, especially one with money, it seems

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In reply to esophoria, May 27, 2012

I think the choice of the lens for Nikon does not allow to show the full potential of the camera. I got much sharper results with 24-70mm in the corners. There are other sharp lenses for Nikon system, like the ones from Zeiss.

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Re: Interesting Debate and Review of D800E vs Leica M Monochrom
In reply to Alxy, May 27, 2012

D800E is not bad at all...

Both are crops from the enlargements of exactly the same final size ..

The first one is from Ming Thein, Leica Monochrome w. Apo-Summicron aspherical.

The second one is from http://pcfoto.biz/na-prvi-pogled-nikon-d800e photo #19; shot with a D800E and 70-200/2.8, converted to B&W. (There are also RAW files there, for better evaluations..)

I know it's different subjects and different conditions but just to give an idea about the resolution power of the D800E at very large enlargements.

(Hopefully my D800E arrives in these days.. )
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In reply to BobYIL, May 27, 2012

BTW, there is an ongoing thread in the Luminous Landscape forum on a comparison between the PhaseOne IQ180 and D800E, both owned by the same photographer:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=67333.0

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M Lammerse wrote:
Before I read it, why is it interesting?

Can I exchange my Nikon lenses (fully) with the Crippled M9 ...or vise versa?

Michel

esophoria wrote:

http://blog.mingthein.com/2012/05/27/leica-m-monochrom-vs-d800e/

Some interesting insights....

The M Monochrom is hardly crippled. It is an idea that's been possible for a long time, but no other company has had the guts to try. It gets rid of the Bayer matrix issue.

Leica has the willingness to create products which has a relatively small market. Besides, there are plenty of Leica shooters who shoot monochrome by choice.

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AlephNull wrote:

The M Monochrom is hardly crippled. It is an idea that's been possible for a long time, but no other company has had the guts to try. It gets rid of the Bayer matrix issue.

Guts? It was available since 1999 and for almost any digital:

http://www.maxmax.com/IRCameraConversions.htm

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In reply to BobYIL, May 28, 2012

I'm not even in game to own either of these two cameras, but there seem to be a lens validity issue in that test. It would be like trying to prove that D700 + Zeiss 50/2 is great great great in comparison to D800 + Nikkor 50/2. Sorry, if you really want to do objective testing...the same lens & settings should be used on both cameras + same conditions. To me Ming lost any sort of credibility when he used $7K lens vs $500 lens....irregardless of what he had available.

Maybe a debate or controversy is good for his blog, but in my book he shot himself in the foot...especially in testing eq.

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In reply to Leswick, May 29, 2012

What contributions have you made of equal or greater magnitude? None? I thought so.

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