Want to have a laugh?

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skysi
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Want to have a laugh?
May 27, 2012

Recently I signed up with another studio to fill up some free dates.
Here's what I received from a bride who's wedding I'm supposed to shoot.

If I ever had to interview a bride like that, the first thing I would do during the interview is to show her to the door.

here it goes. Fasten your seat belts

"Hello Serge and Dan,

How are you? Attached below is a list that I am requesting that you take pictures of on our special day. This list is in addition to your own set of pictures that you are going to be taking in regards to your own work methods. It is imperative that you include a variety of pictures which has to include photojournalistic, traditional and artistic styles. When shooting out door photos, please take notice of buildings, shadows, lighting or any other excess pieces in the environment that may ruin the shot. I also found this article online which describes some "photo poses" in which I would like some of our photos to include, especially "The sitting headrest," "The Swing," "Standing forehead to forehead," "The Dip," "The Casual and Intimate look," "the Single Look," and the "Looking off Look." Please refer to the link for examples: http://www.adidap.com/2011/07/04/step-into-wedding-photography-with-these-20-poses/

I apologize if I may come off as demanding or if it looks as if I am telling you how to do your job, however this day is very important to us and I just want to make sure I get all the photos I want. I want to be able to look at these photographs 75 years from now and be able to relive every single minute of my wedding day just by looking at the pictures that you will be capturing come June 16. If you have any concerns, comments or questions please don't hesitate to contact me. I look forward to working with you. Thank you and have a great day!

Must Have Shots
A Really Good Kissing Shot
The Guys Getting Ready
Your Bouquet
Your Reception Tables
Bridal/Groom shoes
You In Action
Your Favors
Your Wedding Party Kids
Your Wedding Cake
Your Bridesmaid Bouquets
Your Ceremony (Pulled Back)
Your Dresses
Your Hairstyle
His Boutonniere
Candid Shots of Your Bridesmaids
The Ceremony (From a New Angle)
Your Wedding Party
Your Guests
The Scene
Your Reception (Pulled Back)
Getting Ready With Your Mom
A New-Angle Photo
Your Ceremony Details
Your Jewelry
His Shoes
Your First Dance
A Posed and Composed Couple’s Shot
Your Escort Cards
A First-Look Photo
A Silhouette Shot
A Scene-Setter
The Little Odds and Ends
Your Getaway Car
A Dramatic Couple’s Shot
A Funky Backdrop Couple’s Shot
A Movie-esque Black-and-White Shot
The Lighting
Your Bridesmaids Before the Ceremony
You Two After the Ceremony
A Getting-Ready Photo of You
A Before-the-Ceremony Toast
Your Glamour Shot
An Artistically Angled Shot
A Moment Away
Your Fashion Photo Shot
The Boutonnieres
A Before-the-Ceremony Shot
Father/Daughter Dance
Mother/Son Dance
Cake Cutting
Bride and Maid of Honor/ Groom with Best Men
Bride with Family
Groom with Family
Bride and Groom with each family
Bride and Groom with both families together
Dancing shot
Pictures while people are making toasts"

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Taddy
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In reply to skysi, May 27, 2012

BrideZilla the B.

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Dan Marchant
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In reply to skysi, May 27, 2012

I don't see a problem. In fact quite the opposite. I see a customer who has given you the info you need to ensure you have a happy customer - in advance. Would you really prefer a client who doesn't tell you, while secretly hoping you take certain shots, and then ends up unhappy? Or worse yet turning up on the day and having your careful planning cancelled out by the B&G announcing a surprise list of requirements?

Unhappy clients don't usually recommend a business (even if it was actually their fault for not speaking up).

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In reply to Dan Marchant, May 27, 2012

Something tells me you know little of the dynamics of real wedding photography.

If you knew, you'd realize that during a real wedding, it would be simply impossible to follow that list. You are not reading behind the lines either.

As I mentioned, I'd never let myself work for a pedantic bride like this. I know my creativity would be killed by that and i would certainly be entering a world of frustration.

Also, the funny thing is that during the initial interview with the owner of the studio, she never mentioned any of those concerns and demands. A week before a wedding she suddenly did. What does that tell you?
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In reply to Dan Marchant, May 27, 2012

Also, Dan. I'm sure you noticed the disrespect to the photographer in her message. Or are you so used to it in your work that you learned to let it pass?
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In reply to skysi, May 27, 2012

I guess my only question for her would be whether it is wise to go off her meds without first consulting with her doctor.

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In reply to Dan Marchant, May 27, 2012

Dan Marchant wrote:

I don't see a problem. In fact quite the opposite. I see a customer who has given you the info you need to ensure you have a happy customer - in advance.

Would agree - so you now just need to let her know what the fee would be, to meet her needs here.
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In reply to Ashley Morrison Photography, May 27, 2012

Dan Marchant wrote:

I don't see a problem. In fact quite the opposite. I see a customer who has given you the info you need to ensure you have a happy customer - in advance.

Ashley Morrison Photography wrote:

Would agree - so you now just need to let her know what the fee would be, to meet her needs here.

I'm going agree with both AM and DM on this, thou I am not a wedding but as a commercial photographer I am happy to see this from a client. It gives me the ability to also advise of the cost of delivering on their request but also gives me an even clearer understanding on my clients needs and my ability to meet or exceed.
Mind you her marriage may not last 75 years

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In reply to skysi, May 27, 2012

This is precisely the reason I stick with editorial photography. I'd rather go along on a crack house bust at midnight than touch wedding photography. You guys really earn your money!

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In reply to Rdefen, May 27, 2012

That though did cross my mind. Good thing is she's still able to realize she may come across as demanding and telling me how to do my job :).
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In reply to skysi, May 27, 2012

Quick reply:

"Oh dear! Thank you for bringing this to my attention, as it never would have occurred to me to make sure my compositions were thoughtful and artistically proper and didn't include lightpoles or branches coming out of your heads, nor would I have captured any of the hundreds of classic posings that brides traditionally love. Though my previous clients have been thrilled with my quality of work, clearly I have a lot to learn, so I will be taking your wedding weekend to take some basic photography classes instead of covering your special day. Thank you for understanding!"

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In reply to Dan Marchant, May 27, 2012

Dan Marchant wrote:

I don't see a problem. In fact quite the opposite. I see a customer who has given you the info you need to ensure you have a happy customer - in advance.

I see a customer who should try listening to professional advice, rather than telling a professional how to do his or her job.

If you don't see a problem here than you've perhaps not done weddings.

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perhaps she has vaild concerns?
In reply to JoannaR, May 27, 2012

Could be they've seen wedding pics of their friends, those that spent $500 for the soccermom/collegekid 'pro wedding photog' and are now getting nervous that they're gonna get the same thing.

Since the OP is working sublet to another studio I see the potential for redflags - the bride paid for X and is getting Y - a 'strange' (to her) photographer whose work she may not have seen, or is perhaps wary that what she did see isn't his. This fear has a very real basis in fact as many studios sublet weddings (I did it once - never again. A friend tried it with equally bad results).

As others have pointed out - she may be a bridezilla, or knowing what she wants can make your job easier. Nothing worse than hearing about it after the fact 'why didn't you do X, Y and Z?' and you tell them "You saw my samples. Did you see any shots like that? Flowers on the train is so 1980s and not something I do unless specifically requested, I asked our 12 times 'anything else' and you said nothing so how was I to know Aunt Mary was important?" etc.

I've never had a problem with a bride that gave me a list -but I also tell them 'it's a live event and i'll do my best, but if aunt mary leaves early I can't do anything about it'.
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In reply to PenguinPhotoCo, May 27, 2012

I hope to enjoy photography for years to come.

And I hope to never shoot a wedding.

Having said that, I can't imagine being a wedding photog without knowing how to deal effectively with Bridezillas. I don't know how, so I'm not going to ask one to pay me for photography.

If you have the latitude to decline the work, that's an option. If you don't, then do some stretches and prepare to grab ankle. Good luck!

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In reply to skysi, May 27, 2012

I was wedding photographer for approximately 25 years averaging between 60 and 90 weddings a year. This bride is doing you a favor by giving you a list which is great if she gives you the time and cooperation to can delete the list during the wedding event. Way to get a bride and her mother hand you a list upon arrival to the wedding with instructions that you are not to talk to the bride or the family during the wedding event, all shots must be candid. Now you got a problem, with brides and mothers like this caused me to quit shooting weddings, but took me approximately 25 years to wise up. I will never shoot another wedding.

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In reply to John Motts, May 27, 2012

I see a customer who read someplace on the internet that she should include all that stuff about shadows and lamp posts in a letter to the photographer so that she would have something to cover her @ss with in case the photos suck. That way she can show this letter to Judge Judy and say "look your honor I straight up told him not to do that."

The only proper response to this list is an equally pedantic list back to the customer, telling her the exact script you will follow at the wedding in order to get all the shots she wants. And if this script is not followed to the letter, if you are not given full control to direct activities with authority, then either A) you won't do the job, or B) she needs to revise her list. Also as noted by others you can now tell her exactly how much it will cost her to get all the photos she wants.

Then, at the trial, you can spend your time productively arguing about the meaning of the word "suck" as it pertains to wedding photography, and if she did indeed give you the authority to script and direct events of the day, and whether a candid shot outside the courthouse should or should not include the lamp post sticking out of Aunt Betty's head.

Good luck. I aint sayin you won't need it.

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Thank her for being the informative customer
In reply to George1935, May 28, 2012

Hey guys, excuse me for being the sfincter one here. Sorry in advance.

But... I kind agree with that customer.

It's good that you, at least, have a customer that knows what her want.

You see... I shoot fashion, and I work in a market that is devoided of any real technical or artistic education.

My clients are as dumb as Hell, and almost the only thing that drives customers to my email is word of mouth indication.

And the only judgement these clients have when analysing one's work is pure gut feeling.

No, they don't have any formal, artistic or technical education. They just like one's work, or don't.

They don't know why they like. They don't know why they dislike. It's simple as that.

Just pure gut feeling.

I've lost customers in the past, just because they weren't smart enough to understand proper photography.

They disapproved my work, and didn't even know why they did that.

So, if I had a client that knows what she's demanding, I think I'd say "hey, that's actually great".

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In reply to JoannaR, May 28, 2012

LOL, this was a good one!
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In reply to PenguinPhotoCo, May 28, 2012

I assure you this is not the case. She saw my portfolio and every of the 14 photogs at that studio. She picked me from the get-go. But she may be bipolar. Who knows.
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In reply to Dean Baird, May 28, 2012

Oh I do know how to deal with bridezillas. I just posted this for a comic effect, not to seek advice.
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