Am I the only one who thinks the olympus 75mm price is outrageous?

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Tim in upstate NY
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Re: yes, cheaper than CANON.....I shoot canon
In reply to peevee1, May 29, 2012

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007peter wrote:

thinwallet wrote:

Can someone explain how the $900 price can be justified? I have a Canon 85mm F1.8, excellent build quality, sharp wide open. It's slightly bigger than the olympus 75mm, 3"x2.8" vs 2.5" x 2.7". It only costs $400 and has more reach!

That is a stupid comparison. Canon 85mm f/1.8 isn't that great, this lens CA like CRAZY.

In the middle of the frame? Or mostly outside of a 4/3-sized sensor's area?

. . . Peter is right. I used the 85/1.8 for several years and it does have a CA problem, especially with harsh indoor lighting. And for certain in the middle of the frame which is where it hurts the most. It's a good lens overall but probably not in the same class as this upcoming 75/1.8.

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Re: Yes, the 75mm and 12mm are both made in Japan.
In reply to fermy, May 29, 2012

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Exactly, it doesn't make any sense why we have babies complaining about this. Are we going to complain about the fact that a BMW 3-series is out of the reach of the majority of people in this world? Are we going to complain that some people can afford to go to Harvard while some can't? People need to get over that. If you can't justify it, then buy something else or don't buy anything at all. Olympus isn't forcing anyone to buy the 75mm f/1.8 lens. No one is entitled to a high quality 75mm f/1.8 lens. We need to get rid of this entitlement mentality that some people seem to have. It's annoying reading those posts. Again if these people can't afford this lens, then it's time to stfu and go and get a better job.

Why do you feel entitled to teach us what we can and can not complain about? Yes, you need to get rid of that mentality that you can tell people to stfu. You will be told to stfu yourself, simple as that.

If you are older than 10, you should have learned by now that you don't buy everything you can afford. If I think a matchbox is overpriced and I don't need the matches immediately, I am not going to buy it. With that in mind, people complaining are really sending the message to Oly. If you are happy with the price, buy the thing and be happy.

Personally, I couldn't care less what the price of this lens is. I am happy with my manual glass, so I don't need that lens. At the same time, if they priced it more reasonably, I would have picked it up at some point. At their chosen price point, I doubt i would ever even consider it, $900 buys a lot of pretty special manual glass, including the lenses in similar focal range.

From my slightly disinterested prospective, the pricing is a huge mistake. With m4/3 they have a chance to be Canon/Nikon of the future, which means that they should go mass appeal instead of exclusivity. Zuiko 45mm was a step in the right direction and a huge success. It helped to strengthen the appeal of the system for enthusiasts immensely. This lens is doing nothing for the system. Noone would switch to m4/3 because it has 75/1.8 for $900, no one would leave the system because such lens does not exist. Sure, some will buy it, but this number will be far far less than even the number of people that bought 12mm, so it's not going to generate a lot of money. All in all, it's a wasted effort, when there still is a number of holes in the lens line-up.

I'm not entitled to anything. I'm just reminding the op and anyone who sides with him to stop whining. Again, this is a premium quality lens so of course Olympus will want to charge a high price for it. Just look at the craftsmanship of the lens. For way too long, both Olympus and Panasonic have been releasing mass appealed lenses. Now it's time to go after the enthusiasts and this is exactly what they're doing with this lens. No one would switch to m4/3 even if the 75mm f/1.8 is $450. Just like with Canon and Nikon, there will be lenses that caters to all segments of the market. If you can't afford something or you can't justify the price, then buy something else. Enough said!

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Re: Yes, the 75mm and 12mm are both made in Japan.
In reply to Sgt_Strider, May 29, 2012

No one knows yet how good or bad is the lens. So far the only premium is its price. The lens can not be pro if there is no pro camera for it. I would say $600 - $650 would be the price for the lens application. Unless Olympus plans to make a small qty to keep the price.
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Re: I don't really see the purpose of it
In reply to Louis_Dobson, May 29, 2012

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Each to their own. I've never put the 14-42 on my E-PM1, it is way too slow to be of any interest to me.

For my purposes the 75 will fill a few roles:

  • Portraits where the 45 is not shallow enough. I wish they'd make a 50mm f1 myself, but they won't, so unless one wants to MF...

  • When 45 is a bit short. I get that a lot.

  • Carnivals, streets, markets, other places to pick a face from the crowd.

It will be the least used of my main lenses, but still very handy...

So it does sound like a fairly "specialist" lens. Possibly that is an important reason for high price: likely lower volume sold, higher per unit price.

I can see the sense in the 45 f/1.8 as a "standard portrait" and general use short telephoto for e.g. natural light indoors. I'm not convinced it is worthwhile buying for my use, though. I would like something faster than the 12-60 for indoor use (and the slower 12-50 that I decided to buy with the E-M5) and the 12-35 f/2.8 doesn't really help much and is expensive.

Micro isn't quite the right fit for me as yet, but I'll see how the 12-60 and 50-200 perform when I get hold of an MMF-3. (I expect the 50-200 to be pretty much unusable on the E-M5, unfortunately. At least it justifies keeping the E-5.)

Oh, and before anyone mentions using an APS-C camera with a cheap 50 f/1.8 or some such -- yes, I know that is an option, but I don't really want to add another system for a relatively niche usage.

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Re: Yes, the 75mm and 12mm are both made in Japan.
In reply to Sgt_Strider, May 29, 2012

Sgt_Strider wrote:

I'm not entitled to anything. I'm just reminding the op and anyone who sides with him to stop whining. Again, this is a premium quality lens so of course Olympus will want to charge a high price for it. Just look at the craftsmanship of the lens. For way too long, both Olympus and Panasonic have been releasing mass appealed lenses. Now it's time to go after the enthusiasts and this is exactly what they're doing with this lens. No one would switch to m4/3 even if the 75mm f/1.8 is $450. Just like with Canon and Nikon, there will be lenses that caters to all segments of the market. If you can't afford something or you can't justify the price, then buy something else. Enough said!

You have it skewed. The crafstmanship of this lens is nothing to write home about. This is a mass produced lens, not a Leica hand made by gnomes in Swiss caves and polished by the thighs of virgins. Yeah, it has a metal outer shell as opposed to standard nowadays plastic. It's nothing special though, for example, Sony NEX lenses show similar bling build, which does not make them an example of unearthly craftsmanship. In general it's pretty hilarious that we became so used to crap, that any well made product becomes an example of "craftsmanship".

45mm is an enthusiast lens. People that are not serious about photography are not going to spend $400 on a prime lens. It's also mass appeal lens because it appeals to many enthusiasts. 75/1.8 might appeal to a few enthusiasts who genuinely need/love the focal length, but mostly it appeals to "Leica photographer", which is a wrong target audience for m4/3.

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Re: Yes, the 75mm and 12mm are both made in Japan.
In reply to fermy, May 29, 2012

fermy wrote:

Sgt_Strider wrote:

I'm not entitled to anything. I'm just reminding the op and anyone who sides with him to stop whining. Again, this is a premium quality lens so of course Olympus will want to charge a high price for it. Just look at the craftsmanship of the lens. For way too long, both Olympus and Panasonic have been releasing mass appealed lenses. Now it's time to go after the enthusiasts and this is exactly what they're doing with this lens. No one would switch to m4/3 even if the 75mm f/1.8 is $450. Just like with Canon and Nikon, there will be lenses that caters to all segments of the market. If you can't afford something or you can't justify the price, then buy something else. Enough said!

You have it skewed. The crafstmanship of this lens is nothing to write home about. This is a mass produced lens, not a Leica hand made by gnomes in Swiss caves and polished by the thighs of virgins. Yeah, it has a metal outer shell as opposed to standard nowadays plastic. It's nothing special though, for example, Sony NEX lenses show similar bling build, which does not make them an example of unearthly craftsmanship. In general it's pretty hilarious that we became so used to crap, that any well made product becomes an example of "craftsmanship".

45mm is an enthusiast lens. People that are not serious about photography are not going to spend $400 on a prime lens. It's also mass appeal lens because it appeals to many enthusiasts. 75/1.8 might appeal to a few enthusiasts who genuinely need/love the focal length, but mostly it appeals to "Leica photographer", which is a wrong target audience for m4/3.

I'm not trying to compare it to Leica lenses. It is indisputable that the build of the 75mm f/1.8 lens will be better built than some other m4/3 lenses. Olympus still have to turn a profit from this or else there won't be any incentives to develop better lenses in the future.

Would it be nice if the price is lower? Yea, who wouldn't want to pay less for this lens? It is what it is. I really don't see the point to harp about the price here. Olympus thinks this is a reasonable price and I guess we'll see how the market responds to that price point. My bet is that this lens will still sell at $899. If you're not happy with it, then take your money elsewhere. It's as simple as that.

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Re: Yes, the 75mm and 12mm are both made in Japan.
In reply to Sgt_Strider, May 29, 2012

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It is what it is. I really don't see the point to harp about the price here. Olympus thinks this is a reasonable price and I guess we'll see how the market responds to that price point. My bet is that this lens will still sell at $899. If you're not happy with it, then take your money elsewhere. It's as simple as that.

It sure is, but nothing prevents me (or anyone) from pointing the error of Oly ways in the process. It's not really that much different from discussing a football game: a match has ended, but people still talk about it. Is there a point?

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Re: I don't really see the purpose of it
In reply to boggis the cat, May 29, 2012

OK, but I'm confused as to what you would like.

I think they need to do what Nikon have done - 14-24 fwhatever, 24-70 f2.8, 70-200 f2.8, 200-400 f4.

First one exists, second two coming, fourth one needed.

And because of what f2.8 means on MFT, users have to back up their tiny zooms with primes at the critical lengths (50 and 100 normally)

All in "effective" lengths there, no MFT lengths.

I'd be happy with that, but having gone down the prime route I shall carry on.

boggis the cat wrote:

Louis_Dobson wrote:

Each to their own. I've never put the 14-42 on my E-PM1, it is way too slow to be of any interest to me.

For my purposes the 75 will fill a few roles:

  • Portraits where the 45 is not shallow enough. I wish they'd make a 50mm f1 myself, but they won't, so unless one wants to MF...

  • When 45 is a bit short. I get that a lot.

  • Carnivals, streets, markets, other places to pick a face from the crowd.

It will be the least used of my main lenses, but still very handy...

So it does sound like a fairly "specialist" lens. Possibly that is an important reason for high price: likely lower volume sold, higher per unit price.

I can see the sense in the 45 f/1.8 as a "standard portrait" and general use short telephoto for e.g. natural light indoors. I'm not convinced it is worthwhile buying for my use, though. I would like something faster than the 12-60 for indoor use (and the slower 12-50 that I decided to buy with the E-M5) and the 12-35 f/2.8 doesn't really help much and is expensive.

Micro isn't quite the right fit for me as yet, but I'll see how the 12-60 and 50-200 perform when I get hold of an MMF-3. (I expect the 50-200 to be pretty much unusable on the E-M5, unfortunately. At least it justifies keeping the E-5.)

Oh, and before anyone mentions using an APS-C camera with a cheap 50 f/1.8 or some such -- yes, I know that is an option, but I don't really want to add another system for a relatively niche usage.

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Re: I don't really see the purpose of it
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Louis_Dobson wrote:

OK, but I'm confused as to what you would like.

With respect to Micro: it comes down to Micro turning into a really good prime system, with mostly mediocre to poor zooms, and my preference for zooms.

What I would like:

  1. Full use of my 12-60 and 50-200 on a Micro body (it should happen eventually)

  2. Cheaper wide-angle SHG equivalent zooms -- i.e. f/2 or better -- on Micro (the Panasonic 7-14 f/4 is arguably exactly this, but I'm not certain about the relative quality against the ZD 7-14).

I think they need to do what Nikon have done - 14-24 fwhatever, 24-70 f2.8, 70-200 f2.8, 200-400 f4.

First one exists, second two coming, fourth one needed.

Yes, but the 12-35 f/2.8 doesn't add a lot over my existing 12-60 f/2.8-4 over the same focal range. It's an expensive near-duplication.

The 35-100 f/2.8 does look more interesting as I don't have the ZD 35-100 f/\2. You lose a stop, but it should be much more usable in terms of size and of course cheaper -- but maybe not as much as would be ideal. (It will be interesting to see how it compares optically. I expect the SHG to still have a significant edge, but we shall see.)

The suggested 200-400 EFL f/4 zoom would be a bit of a "poor cousin" to the ZD 50-200 f/2.8-3.5, and so would suffer a worse comparison than the 12-35 with the ZD 12-60. If it was considerably cheaper and optically good, then fine. It appears that native Micro long telephoto zooms are pretty dire, so far -- and hardly cheap.

And because of what f2.8 means on MFT, users have to back up their tiny zooms with primes at the critical lengths (50 and 100 normally)

All in "effective" lengths there, no MFT lengths.

I'd be happy with that, but having gone down the prime route I shall carry on.

I am seriously considering the 45 f/1.8 as an indoor option. It isn't expensive for the quality, but I just know that I will find the restriction (compared to the 12-60 zoom capability) irritating.

I'll wait until I can test the 12-60 on the E-M5. A one second AF time vs. NZ$600 may be a reasonable trade-off.

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Re: Maybe you are the only 1, 75mm price is outrageous?
In reply to thinwallet, Jun 3, 2012

I used to whine about a the cost of a oly wide angle then I picked up a Sony 24mm and a 16-50 mm weather resistant. Makes my whine useless

Take any lens apart first before you flip out.

Yesterday morning I took apart a 45-200 mm stabilized panasonic to remove a grease coated hair stuck in the zoom guide channel that was touching the lens with grease. Apparently the felt collar around the zoom extension is not full and misses a 1/4" piece.

Back together and operational. They did a nice design job and I appreciate more what it takes to have a lens work.

People who drop their lens on a hard surface have no ideal what risk they are taking with the lens being out of centering alignment, shim alignment, or falling off their mounting collar.

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In reply to thinwallet, Jun 3, 2012

It is a high quality lens... Anything of high quality is expensive to make, and thus to sell...

If you want cheap lenses, buy a legacy one... Or one of the cheap lenses that exist...

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Imagination is more important than knowledge.

God always take the simplest way.

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