Oh for God's sake, let's please stop beating on this horse !...

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Marla2008
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Oh for God's sake, let's please stop beating on this horse !...
May 25, 2012

It's way over DEAD !!

Someone posted yet ANOTHER "show me your shallow DOF pics with m4/3, they can't match my FF photos", and hop, 77 posts to this minute, trying to match his (far from attractive, from his sample) background blur. ENOUGH !

Let me put it this way : I must be among the five most rabid and extremist shallow DOF lovers on this board (and I'm being humble, I get a strong feeling I'm actually number one for this specific addiction and mania) but please please we've been over this topic and million times and back, everything has been said from totally exotic mathematic formulas to extremely obvious image samples.

m4/3 offers half the DOF control vs 135mm for the same equivalent settings, period.

Yes super shallow DOF CAN be achieved under certain controlled conditions, yes the new fast tele primes will certainly help in that department, but overall m4/3 is intended as a compromise for maximum performance and IQ in minimum size and weight.
And NO, I will not impose on you yet another string of shallow DOF pics
Rant over.

Sheeshh..

P.S. : I love my m4/3 gear and take it everywhere, and I intend to get the rumoured D600 when it comes out to have best of both worlds, because for a shallow DOF nut, 135mm remains a treat...

Marla.

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Re: Oh for God's sake, let's please stop beating on this horse !...
In reply to Marla2008, May 25, 2012

Wait till you use a bellows mounted large format camera. I've seen dust specks on the ground glass bigger than FT

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its all a bit of fun.
In reply to Marla2008, May 25, 2012

cheers don

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In reply to Marla2008, May 25, 2012

Marla -

I appreciate the post and I think it is maybe a good example of what I am myself coming to quite dislike about the Forums of late.

Fact is, we ALL have our own ideas on what is supposed to be a "good" pic..both in the composition and probably the technique.. I am getting more tired oif the very many comments that coime up seemigly far more of late, as to whether a pic has good or bad IQ, whether it is bad or wrong for some other reason.. whether the IQ or just the lens used is not as good..

We ALL have our own thoughts on what we like and think of a pic. Personally I hate the funny arty things and also often the HDR pics that to me look sometimes little better than you could get with a Box Brownie...whilst others will say how good they are. Comments and critique here now seems to be no guide whatever.. what pleases ME counts..I've been taking ipcs since old fikm days and going back to maybe 1950's or so.. and used cameras of all sorts up to what I then regarded as MY pinnacle, a Hasselblad which I loved for 15 years of use.

Yet I still have MY ideas of what I regard as a good or pleasing pic. It may not - probably DOES not suit many others. well..that's life.. not all are pleased with the same pic.. but it doesn't mean that OTHER pics should be slated as bad or not-so-good..they ARE to the poster and likely many others... so it has to be a case of live and let live..

But alas...it isn't so.. too many critiques and the impossible task of pleasing everytbody at any one time..
Less of these comments and I suspect the whoile Forums would be better...

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In reply to Marla2008, May 25, 2012

the era of digital geek camera scientists are here

they dont know how to take images with one, but they sure know the math and physics of it all.

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In reply to GodSpeaks, May 25, 2012

Same here, it gets a bit tedious, the worst thing is the tone of some people; the anger a belligerence is sometimes too much, especially, on an opening post.

.J.

BTW, I'm sure the guy who started the post of which you speak is a massive troll. He starts off being angry, yet if he receives any critcism, he uses the age card.

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I like the extra DOF
In reply to Marla2008, May 25, 2012

It's good for what I usually shoot. Often with my old D700, I found myself having to use a higher ISO (much higher in many cases) because I had to go to a higher F number to get more DOF.

Anyway....a few recent 'just right for me' DOF photos

Let's all have a big group hug and then go take some pictures. Have fun arguing, people....because I'm going to go have fun making more photos (whether you like it or not LOL)

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" The Lady doth protest too much ! "

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In reply to Donald B, May 25, 2012

. . . The equivalency freaks mighty be having fun but it's not much fun for their targeted audience.

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N/T
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In reply to Marla2008, May 25, 2012

I agree 100%. You could make the same comparisons between medium format and full frame. The fact is it's all physics. And then you could continue with comparing large format and medium format. What's the use? Let's get on with making photographs.

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and what about birds in flight?
In reply to tomnorth, May 25, 2012

DPR is a good tech based site and the posts generally reflect that a lot of people have good knowledge intermixed with a little bit of fanboy rubbish and a dab of rude people. If I am looking for new gear, I spend hours here looking for opinions and facts and so it stands to reason that a lot of its business is centred around that. Having said that, once I have bought my new gear, I like to show a few photo's, so I want DPR to service both those desires but I think tech is the primary source of posting here and that is likely to remain so

Also interesting to glance at all the forums and note that some are more photo heavy than others (for a while at least).

Showing off a picture to prove 'something can be done' can be sometimes less than helpful to the questioner. The one that bugs me most is the 'can it do birds in flight' type question and then some readers feel compelled to show their 'birds in flight' photos to show it can be done. The posts frequently forget to mention that it may be one successful shot out 25, the rest being failures and lost opportunities, or that the low velocity gull was just hanging on an air current at the time.

Here's a shot I took with an EPL-1 and 100 - 300mm. It has NOTHING to do with birds in flight (though I might claim otherwise). It was a pre-focussed static shot, hoping to catch a bird arriving on or leaving a perch. This is the one shot out of twenty that worked and this one was just lucky, I didn't even see the bird on the right enter the frame. I would not dream of claiming that this combo is a 'good' bird in flight option.

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I love SDOP !
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Re: Oh for God's sake, let's please stop beating on this horse !...
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Marla2008 wrote:

It's way over DEAD !!

It was already completely determined in 2003
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=5408801
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In reply to Marla2008, May 25, 2012

...I find myself wanting more depth of field more often than I finding myself wanting less depth of field. Sometimes the only reason it's brought up is the childish: "Mine's better than yours" nonsense that is often prevalent on these forums. Most of the time its really more about being different than being better.

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Re: Oh for God's sake, let's please stop beating on this horse !...
In reply to Marla2008, May 25, 2012

I don't think the posts on that thread were to say that m43 is as good as FF and lacks nothing in terms of shallow of depth of field. I think it's more inline with saying m43 can do shallow depth of field too. Not as good as FF but not so bad as to be discounted for it.

Just a suggestion Marla. You're the expert compared to me so I'm in no position to give you advice on such matters. But please accept my humble suggestion. Rather than go for the claimed FF Nikon for 1600$ why not buy one of those f0.95 50mm equivalent lenses for m43 and see if that works for you? If it does it'll save you the trouble of having two systems and will be cheaper for it too. If it doesn't, you could sell it for minimum loss I suppose. Not to be the devils advocate. But you're suggesting to purchase another system.

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In reply to Tim in upstate NY, May 25, 2012

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bobn2 wrote:

Marla2008 wrote:

It's way over DEAD !!

It was already completely determined in 2003
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=5408801
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Well at least it wasn't a yardstick! geez I remember a lot of this stuff.

I remember (re-member is a strange word) at least 40 or 50 serious yardstick shot posts, at least it seemed that way, when the 10d came out, and someone said it back focused. These frozen wieners are classic...
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The horse was still moving
In reply to Marla2008, May 25, 2012

And now Marla you have indeed brought it back from the dead, so we have a Zombie horse that wants to eat our brains... : )

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