FF D7000 is coming!

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FF D7000 is coming!
May 23, 2012

From Nikonrumors. Price rumored 1,500-1,800 USD.

New/updated Nikon D600 specifications:

24.7MP full frame sensor
Weight: 760g (850g with battery and memory cards), the D800 weights 900g
3.2" LCD with 921K dot with ambient sensor control
HDMI output
Video compression: H264/MPEG-4
Full HD with 30p, 25p, 24p, HD with 60p, 50p, 30p, 25p
Viewfinder coverage: 100% for FX , 97% for Dx
The Nikon D600 will have built-in AF motor
The body most probably will be weather sealed
The D600 may not have built-in GPS as initially reported
ISO range: 100-6400 (with Lo-1 ISO 50 and Hi-2 ISO 25,600)
39 AF points (with an option of 11 AF points), 9 cross-type AF points
AF face detection
Exposure compensation: ±5 EV (same as the D800)
The D600 will probably use the EN-EL15 rechargeable Li-ion battery

Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/#ixzz1vjMWfYrV

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In reply to rhlpetrus, May 23, 2012

Any confidence rating? Sounds like another game changer and smart move, which will sell a ton of glass. Any speculation on frame rate?
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They had it at 80% before, now it's getting very detailed, my guess is they already have reliable info.

Frame rate should be like D7000, 6fps, better than D700 and D800, or at least 5fps like D700.

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Any confidence rating? Sounds like another game changer and smart move, which will sell a ton of glass. Any speculation on frame rate?
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In reply to rhlpetrus, May 23, 2012

rhlpetrus wrote:

From Nikonrumors. Price rumored 1,500-1,800 USD.

New/updated Nikon D600 specifications:

24.7MP full frame sensor
Weight: 760g (850g with battery and memory cards), the D800 weights 900g
3.2" LCD with 921K dot with ambient sensor control
HDMI output
Video compression: H264/MPEG-4
Full HD with 30p, 25p, 24p, HD with 60p, 50p, 30p, 25p
Viewfinder coverage: 100% for FX , 97% for Dx
The Nikon D600 will have built-in AF motor
The body most probably will be weather sealed
The D600 may not have built-in GPS as initially reported
ISO range: 100-6400 (with Lo-1 ISO 50 and Hi-2 ISO 25,600)
39 AF points (with an option of 11 AF points), 9 cross-type AF points
AF face detection
Exposure compensation: ±5 EV (same as the D800)
The D600 will probably use the EN-EL15 rechargeable Li-ion battery

Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/#ixzz1vjMWfYrV

The really sounds like a D7K with a FF sensor (larger pixels but lower density) Same AF unit and many other same features....hmmmm

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In reply to rhlpetrus, May 23, 2012

This is the camera many of us were asking for at least a year ago (I thought it would be the D7000):

http://imagesbyeduardo.com/main/uncategorized/d7000-fx-trapped-in-a-d90 ’s-body/

It will be a game-changer for sure and get a lot of reluctant DX shooters who have been longing for an affordable FX body. At that price point, however, it does seem to spell the end of the D300 hopes. I do hope the 39 point AF module improves on the sometimes spotty performance of the D7000's AF module.
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eNo wrote:

This is the camera many of us were asking for at least a year ago (I thought it would be the D7000):

http://imagesbyeduardo.com/main/uncategorized/d7000-fx-trapped-in-a-d90 ’s-body/

It will be a game-changer for sure and get a lot of reluctant DX shooters who have been longing for an affordable FX body. At that price point, however, it does seem to spell the end of the D300 hopes. I do hope the 39 point AF module improves on the sometimes spotty performance of the D7000's AF module.

Well I'll not give up just yet, but I'm not hearing it as good news.

However, it will be a top seller, its an excellent spec if it delivers.

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Great, i just talked myself out of buying a D800...now this!

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Seems unlikely, unless Nikon has given up on the D400 and DX00 model series.
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If any of this ish is true. This will be what I save my money for.

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Unless the D400 uses a gripped body like D2x.

eNo wrote:

This is the camera many of us were asking for at least a year ago (I thought it would be the D7000):

http://imagesbyeduardo.com/main/uncategorized/d7000-fx-trapped-in-a-d90 ’s-body/

It will be a game-changer for sure and get a lot of reluctant DX shooters who have been longing for an affordable FX body. At that price point, however, it does seem to spell the end of the D300 hopes. I do hope the 39 point AF module improves on the sometimes spotty performance of the D7000's AF module.

Re AF, well, I think it's good enough for most applications. For me, I'm really thinking of going FF fulltime with a D800E and a D600, but may keep D7K and only get D800, not sure yet. There's also talk (Thom) of a D700+ using this same 24MP sensor but much faster and an updated AF system early next year.
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You forgot AF, speed and pixel density. My guess is a V1 AF system with a 24MP sensor.

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Seems unlikely, unless Nikon has given up on the D400 and DX00 model series.
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Wait, so is this the "D7100/7200" that has been rumored for fall of 2012? Or is this going to be a different camera?

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no direct D300 replacement
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Nadkon wrote:

Wait, so is this the "D7100/7200" that has been rumored for fall of 2012? Or is this going to be a different camera?

I think this is what the D300 has evolved into and the next D7100 will be a higher end D7K with slightly better sensor and body...something in between a D300 and a D7000. Just my thoughts

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rhlpetrus wrote:

From Nikonrumors. Price rumored 1,500-1,800 USD.

I can't see $1500 USD, unless the cost of fabing a FF chip has come down. The old saw was that that a DX chip costs $50, a FX cost $500. So to keep the same profit margin as the D300, it would have to be at least $1900. The only way to keep $1500-$1600 is to just do a straight drop into the existing D7000 body.

Nevermind that it looks like a FX-upgraded D7000.... the specs would be competitive(ish.. but not quite) with the Canon 5Dm3. Think about that for a minute...

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You've gotta love it. I'm not canceling my D800e order, but this is just good news for everybody.

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$500 for an FX sensor is ridiculous....

the transistor density is hardly bleeding edge fab technology, while the chunk of silicon is large, i dont see yield as being an issue.

A similarly sized 28nm bulk processed chip would cost ~$200, so while it is possible that i am missing something special about photo-sensitivity, I dont buy that the cost is that much.

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I am waiting for the D300s replacement. I have the D700 and if I am going to trade up for Full Frame, I am going for the D4.

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Re: FF D7000 is coming! I feel like Eyore.
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I find this both exciting and deeply troubling, as I'm no longer moving in the direction that Nikon wants me to go - bigger.

I'm excited by the possibilities that a D600 would offer me to use full frame when the desire arises and lenses allow, while retaining the perfectly adequate 12MP I'm quite satisfied with in my D90 in DX mode. I'm excited to get a CAM3500 AF that doesn't come with a reputation. I'm excited to get things like AF fine tuning. But if all that comes with a body that's bigger and heavier than the D7000, I don't see this as the next-gen camera body I'd want to buy. I don't need FF.

On the other hand, if Nikon after this were to release a D5200 with many of the features of the D7000 that make it a compact-bodied DX SLR that can effectively utilize the increased resolution that will surely be included - i.e. - one with AF fine tuning - I would strongly consider moving down-market from where I presently am, as today's downmarket is far better than 2008's upmarket. Frankly, not including such features in a high-resolution camera at any price point is nearly a sin. But I doubt that Nikon will get such religion.

I've slowly moved up the DSLR food chain to acquire the DR and handling that I prefer in a DSLR. Even though the Series 1 system competes with the D80 in DR and kills any SLR in portability, I really want something more, but don't want to be forced into a jump into FF or at least a full-sized camera body to do so.

Perhaps the thing that's really depressing me right now is that the days of looking forward to a bit better DX zoom from Nikon are ending as Nikon's efforts drain away from DX into FX and CX. Perhaps quality conscious travel shootists like myself are a diminishing portion of the market that Nikon feels will ultimately move to CX. Perhaps 3 lens lines are just too much for Nikon to support. Perhaps the destiny of DX as a make-do technology node is being fufilled.

In any case, u4/3 is looking more and more interesting, especially if the mfrs can figure out how to do PD/CDAF.
For this enthusiast - Bloat, bloat, Nikon, thy name is bloat.

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In reply to blue_cheese, May 24, 2012

blue_cheese wrote:

$500 for an FX sensor is ridiculous....

the transistor density is hardly bleeding edge fab technology, while the chunk of silicon is large, i dont see yield as being an issue.

A similarly sized 28nm bulk processed chip would cost ~$200, so while it is possible that i am missing something special about photo-sensitivity, I dont buy that the cost is that much.

http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/technology-blog/2008/03/dslr-sensor-economics/

Chipworks is saying $300-400, which is less than the $500 figure that's been tossed around on the DPR forums. The price doesn't come down much because the chip stays the same size... you always get the same number of sensors per wafer area, and if you have a certain defect rate per wafer, it has a larger effect on final production because yield is lower. Note that Chipworks estimates that yield is only 50% . So really, the costs savings come from volume, not from squeezing more chips per wafer.

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Mako2011 wrote:

Nadkon wrote:

Wait, so is this the "D7100/7200" that has been rumored for fall of 2012? Or is this going to be a different camera?

I think this is what the D300 has evolved into and the next D7100 will be a higher end D7K with slightly better sensor and body...something in between a D300 and a D7000. Just my thoughts

Perhaps. If true, then the D300 has been effectively downgraded in terms of shot-making capability so as to include a FF sensor; IQ trumping AF. This would suggest that there still may be a slot for a pro-DX body, but it will be more akin to a D4 than a D300. It does seem, however, that the AF module is now defining the classes more clearly: CAM1000, DX entry level; CAM4800 - enthusiast level, defined as top-of-line consumer DX and entry level FX; CAM3500 - semi-pro/pro FX. The D300 may have been a dead end built in an era of too-expensive FX sensors.

I really shouldn't drink. Makes me all depressed and compels me to post stuff like this.

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