High key, shot outdoors? what!

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Jere Landis
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High key, shot outdoors? what!
May 23, 2012

Some of the remarks about high key are used to cover up overexposure. I have never even thought about an outdoor shot being high key. If you are shooting outdoors, there is only one exposure, the correct one. If shooting indoors in a studio environment, you can shoot high key very well, as all is controlled.

If there is such a thing as outdoor high key, would someone please post some. I can't believe it is possible. If you can't control the subject and the background exposure separately, how would you do it?

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In reply to Jere Landis, May 23, 2012

Jere Landis wrote:

Some of the remarks about high key are used to cover up overexposure. I have never even thought about an outdoor shot being high key. If you are shooting outdoors, there is only one exposure, the correct one. If shooting indoors in a studio environment, you can shoot high key very well, as all is controlled.

If there is such a thing as outdoor high key, would someone please post some. I can't believe it is possible. If you can't control the subject and the background exposure separately, how would you do it?

I can't imagine it either.

Tedolph, RIP

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Hmmm.

I'm travelling, so I can only offer what I have on flickr, and the one is not that high key, and the other is only just out of doors, still:

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Imagine living in Seattle and being unable to do anything but shoot into the sun, when it shows it's ugly little yellow head.

This is an psycho-muscular reaction. But no, not high-key. Just dumb and wishful thinking.

"Hope is not a strategy"

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I like both
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Louis, are they both shot out of doors or just the beach shot?

I would have to challenge the second one being high key because of the dark areas around the lady's face and neck area. The first is obviously not high key.

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Whether they are liked or not has nothing to do with being high key. The first is definitely not and the second is very borderline. The second does not meet my definition of high key, however it is debatable.

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Louis_Dobson wrote:

Hmmm.

I'm travelling, so I can only offer what I have on flickr, and the one is not that high key, and the other is only just out of doors, still:

The second one is definatley classic "high key" but was it outdoors?

I doubt it.

Also, a great shot and a beautiful wife.

You are one lucky fellow.

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Jere Landis wrote:

Some of the remarks about high key are used to cover up overexposure. I have never even thought about an outdoor shot being high key. If you are shooting outdoors, there is only one exposure, the correct one. If shooting indoors in a studio environment, you can shoot high key very well, as all is controlled.

If there is such a thing as outdoor high key, would someone please post some. I can't believe it is possible. If you can't control the subject and the background exposure separately, how would you do it?

"If you are shooting outdoors, there is only one exposure, the correct one."

This single quote right here is why you don't understand it as being possible. If your shooting RAW then yes you should always go for the correct exposure because it gives you the greatest flexibility. If your shooting jpeg then adjusting the tone curve to bias highs or lows gives you a different type of artistic restriction/freedom while taking the shot. Obviously you have to be confident in your skills otherwise you can go too far but being restricted will force you to think more about your choices and challenge you to experiment in order to make the right ones it also gives you the freedom to worry only about the highs or lows as opposed to worrying about both.

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Jere Landis wrote:

Louis, are they both shot out of doors or just the beach shot?

I would have to challenge the second one being high key because of the dark areas around the lady's face and neck area. The first is obviously not high key.

I agree both fail at being high key.

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Is this a joke? Haven't you ever shot in full sun with areas in deep shadow???

It's bright here in AZ no doubt, but it can be bright elsewhere.

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Jere Landis wrote:

Some of the remarks about high key are used to cover up overexposure. I have never even thought about an outdoor shot being high key. If you are shooting outdoors, there is only one exposure, the correct one. If shooting indoors in a studio environment, you can shoot high key very well, as all is controlled.

If there is such a thing as outdoor high key, would someone please post some. I can't believe it is possible. If you can't control the subject and the background exposure separately, how would you do it?

I can't imagine it either.

Tedolph, RIP

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Jere Landis wrote:

Some of the remarks about high key are used to cover up overexposure. I have never even thought about an outdoor shot being high key. If you are shooting outdoors, there is only one exposure, the correct one. If shooting indoors in a studio environment, you can shoot high key very well, as all is controlled.

Could you explain why you limit your statement to outdoor situations only?

Not that I agree with it by the way.

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tedolf wrote:

Jere Landis wrote:

Some of the remarks about high key are used to cover up overexposure. I have never even thought about an outdoor shot being high key. If you are shooting outdoors, there is only one exposure, the correct one. If shooting indoors in a studio environment, you can shoot high key very well, as all is controlled.

If there is such a thing as outdoor high key, would someone please post some. I can't believe it is possible. If you can't control the subject and the background exposure separately, how would you do it?

I can't imagine it either.

you were correct in other thread about over-exposure but you were Louisified.

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Post your sample, please
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mh2000 wrote:
Is this a joke? Haven't you ever shot in full sun with areas in deep shadow???

It's bright here in AZ no doubt, but it can be bright elsewhere.

tedolf wrote:

Jere Landis wrote:

Some of the remarks about high key are used to cover up overexposure. I have never even thought about an outdoor shot being high key. If you are shooting outdoors, there is only one exposure, the correct one. If shooting indoors in a studio environment, you can shoot high key very well, as all is controlled.

If there is such a thing as outdoor high key, would someone please post some. I can't believe it is possible. If you can't control the subject and the background exposure separately, how would you do it?

I can't imagine it either.

Tedolph, RIP

I hate shooting in the AZ sun most of the time. I love the sunsets and love the golden hour photo ops but I hate the harsh light most other times. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so incredibly hot to top it off.

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Jere Landis wrote:

Some of the remarks about high key are used to cover up overexposure. I have never even thought about an outdoor shot being high key. If you are shooting outdoors, there is only one exposure, the correct one. If shooting indoors in a studio environment, you can shoot high key very well, as all is controlled.

Jere, even when shooting outdoors, there is not only "one exposure." A simple case in point is that if you're shooting someone against a bright background (eg: the sun) then you can expose for the background or the subject. Neither one is the absolute right one. It's up to the photographer which exposure to choose, depending on the desired result.

Also, when shooting outdoors, depending on the subject, you may be able to control the light. When photographing people or larger objects such as cars, there are gobos, reflectors, and portable flash units which all useful tools for controlling the light ratio between the background and the subject.

So with that kind of control, creating a high key scene isn't really a problem at all.

If you're talking about a subject where you can't control the light, then it becomes a matter of finding the right subject and the right light in order to create a high key photograph.

If there is such a thing as outdoor high key, would someone please post some. I can't believe it is possible. If you can't control the subject and the background exposure separately, how would you do it?

High key photos are typified by the use of bright tones and low contrast. So an obvious high key, outdoor scene that doesn't rely on the use of controlling foreground light would be some kind of snow scene. Or light coloured sand...or bodies of water with light reflecting off of them.

Have a look at these beautiful landscape photos taken by Colin Steel with an OM-D: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2012/05/03/on-the-road-with-the-olympus-om-d-by-colin-steel/

Do any of them fit your definition of high key? Speaking for myself, I'd consider some of them to be high key. The photographer also considers some of them to be high key as well.

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tedolf wrote:

If there is such a thing as outdoor high key, would someone please post some. I can't believe it is possible. If you can't control the subject and the background exposure separately, how would you do it?

I can't imagine it either.

I am not going to post other people's work, but there are superb hi-key shots of people wearing white in the sun and snow.

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Jere, how do you define a high key photo?
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BTW, if you don't think any of the photos on the page that I linked to are examples of high-key photos, then I think it'd be useful for the purposes of this thread for you to define what you consider to be a high-key photograph.

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mh2000 wrote:
Is this a joke? Haven't you ever shot in full sun with areas in deep shadow???

It's bright here in AZ no doubt, but it can be bright elsewhere.

tedolf wrote:

Jere Landis wrote:

Some of the remarks about high key are used to cover up overexposure. I have never even thought about an outdoor shot being high key. If you are shooting outdoors, there is only one exposure, the correct one. If shooting indoors in a studio environment, you can shoot high key very well, as all is controlled.

If there is such a thing as outdoor high key, would someone please post some. I can't believe it is possible. If you can't control the subject and the background exposure separately, how would you do it?

I can't imagine it either.

Tedolph, RIP

If areas are in deep shadow, it's not high key period!

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zxaar wrote:

tedolf wrote:

Jere Landis wrote:

Some of the remarks about high key are used to cover up overexposure. I have never even thought about an outdoor shot being high key. If you are shooting outdoors, there is only one exposure, the correct one. If shooting indoors in a studio environment, you can shoot high key very well, as all is controlled.

If there is such a thing as outdoor high key, would someone please post some. I can't believe it is possible. If you can't control the subject and the background exposure separately, how would you do it?

I can't imagine it either.

you were correct in other thread about over-exposure but you were Louisified.

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