D800 examples from D700 users's perspective (180 2.8, 50 1.8D)

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D800 examples from D700 users's perspective (180 2.8, 50 1.8D)
May 23, 2012

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Picked up the D800 today. I'm still working on how to get the most out of these files, but I can say this, personally:

1) We already know about the need for high-resolution lenses to maximize pixel-peeping-potential - what we also need to talk about is processing . I'm finding that my usual sharpening and PP routines need to be pumped up a bit, and that the D800 allows much more headroom in both sharpening and NR, at the same time. With the D700, I could sharpen a bunch, but not apply too much NR at the same time, or vise-versa. The D800 takes me up a bit higher with each.

2) " Handheld won't cut it any more " assertion is mostly false (as I suspected it would be.) If you feel shutter-speed constrained, bump ISO and continue to handhold. The files hold up very nicely to NR, as the noise is finer-grained.

3) Good/great lenses on the D700 are still good/great on the D800, and every lens will resolve more - how much more depends on if it's a great, or just good lens.

4) Working with these files isn't as painful as I feared it would be, but they do bring a slowdown to your workflow.

5) I'm finding that motion blur is a bigger threat to IQ on this sensor than one more stop of noise - a very welcome discovery

6) Flickr's changes suck. Color posterization, slight detail muddling - Perfect timing for me, start sucking when I need them the most for detail retention (Grr!)

I'll post more shots & thoughts as I get more time in with the camera. Below is the first set.

About the 4th snap I took with the camera - 50 f/1.8D wide-open , a tad softer than f/2.8, but still impressive - no AF problems that I can detect, no AF adjust needed with the three lenses I tried:

( he's tired of modeling! )

Crop:

Below is the 180 f/2.8 AF-N , wide-open, handheld, ISO 560. A lot of the portrait shots you've seen have been tripod, studio lighting, f/5.6, f/8, ISO 100, etc - I'm very, very happy with these "real world", handheld results:

Crop:

Now, below is something I have a harder time doing with the D700 - get detail at distance, at less than ideal ISO, wide-open - the detail just doesn't hold up to NR as well as this:

180mm f/2.8 ISO 1600

Larger, desat - the individual hairs at that distance, the wrinkle pattern in the clothes - tougher to do at f/2.8 with that lens from that distance at ISO 1600 on the D700:

More examples, all f/2.8:

f/2.8 ISO 320

Crop:

ISO 900:

ISO 1800

Below is about a 40% crop, f/2.8 ISO 1000

Larger:

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Re: D800 examples from D700 users's perspective (180 2.8, 50 1.8D)
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moving_comfort wrote:

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Picked up the D800 today. I'm still working on how to get the most out of these files, but I can say this, personally:

1) We already know about the need for high-resolution lenses to maximize pixel-peeping-potential - what we also need to talk about is processing . I'm finding that my usual sharpening and PP routines need to be pumped up a bit, and that the D800 allows much more headroom in both sharpening and NR, at the same time. With the D700, I could sharpen a bunch, but not apply too much NR at the same time, or vise-versa. The D800 takes me up a bit higher with each.

2) " Handheld won't cut it any more " assertion is mostly false (as I suspected it would be.) If you feel shutter-speed constrained, bump ISO and continue to handhold. The files hold up very nicely to NR, as the noise is finer-grained.

3) Good/great lenses on the D700 are still good/great on the D800, and every lens will resolve more - how much more depends on if it's a great, or just good lens.

4) Working with these files isn't as painful as I feared it would be, but they do bring a slowdown to your workflow.

5) I'm finding that motion blur is a bigger threat to IQ on this sensor than one more stop of noise - a very welcome discovery

6) Flickr's changes suck. Color posterization, slight detail muddling - Perfect timing for me, start sucking when I need them the most for detail retention (Grr!)

I'll post more shots & thoughts as I get more time in with the camera. Below is the first set.

I think you're the first person to actually sum it up almost perfectly. Well done on being so concise and to hit the nail on the head!

About the 4th snap I took with the camera - 50 f/1.8D wide-open , a tad softer than f/2.8, but still impressive - no AF problems that I can detect, no AF adjust needed with the three lenses I tried:

Great photos and what I love about them is that they are great shots of kids going about their fun, which is truly refreshing!

( he's tired of modeling! )

Crop:

Below is the 180 f/2.8 AF-N , wide-open, handheld, ISO 560. A lot of the portrait shots you've seen have been tripod, studio lighting, f/5.6, f/8, ISO 100, etc - I'm very, very happy with these "real world", handheld results:

Crop:

Now, below is something I have a harder time doing with the D700 - get detail at distance, at less than ideal ISO, wide-open - the detail just doesn't hold up to NR as well as this:

180mm f/2.8 ISO 1600

Larger, desat - the individual hairs at that distance, the wrinkle pattern in the clothes - tougher to do at f/2.8 with that lens from that distance at ISO 1600 on the D700:

More examples, all f/2.8:

f/2.8 ISO 320

Crop:

ISO 900:

ISO 1800

Below is about a 40% crop, f/2.8 ISO 1000

Larger:

.

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Re: D800 examples from D700 users's perspective (180 2.8, 50 1.8D)
In reply to moving_comfort, May 23, 2012

Very nice summary, confirming what I suspected.
Great shots too !

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Re: D800 examples from D700 users's perspective (180 2.8, 50 1.8D)
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Outstanding photos

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Re: D800 examples from D700 users's perspective (180 2.8, 50 1.8D)
In reply to moving_comfort, May 23, 2012

I love the bokek on the 2nd and 3rd one... what is the exact lens? Would love to try it out... The bokeh of the 70-200 VR II doesn't feel the same to me.

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Re: D800 examples from D700 users's perspective (180 2.8, 50 1.8D)
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moving_comfort wrote:

The files hold up very nicely to NR, as the noise is finer-grained.

Plus there is more detail in the first place, so even if you lose some to NR you will still have more than the D700 ever resolved. BTW this observation of yours concurs very nicely with PhotographyBLOG's recent review of the D800, where they say practically the same thing!

every lens will resolve more - how much more depends on if it's a great, or just good lens

Another valid point. Taking your 50mm f/1.8D lens as an example, it will show softness on the D700 wide open but if someone thought this meant that it won't resolve any extra detail at that f/stop when used on the D800, that's wrong. Lens resolution is not "cut off" or "clipped" at a discrete point so if you marry a so-so performing lens (or as in this case, a great lens at a less-than-ideal aperture) to a higher-resolving body you WILL see more detail.

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Re: D800 examples from D700 users's perspective (180 2.8, 50 1.8D)
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Very nice captures!

What are you using for B&W conversion? I really like the simple, yet classic look/style.

Thx for posting

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i dont care about your perspective/conclusions - the shots are gorgeous!
In reply to moving_comfort, May 23, 2012

there is so much magic going on in these shots.. all i can say is these are gorgeous shots of beautiful kids, and yes shot with that thing called D800 helped

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I agree with everything you said and Lance said :-)
In reply to Lance B, May 23, 2012

Great photos. For me, as always, those crops are incredible! For me, that's how I like to show the photos! So, the D800 is GREAT and much better than D700 for that application! Love it!

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They really are very good photos....

I give 40% credit to the kids, 50% to the photographer and 10% to the D800. Of course the 10% is important too!

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Re: D800 examples from D700 users's perspective (180 2.8, 50 1.8D)
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hei ,

I want to say c'mon guys, this is excellent photography, don't be shy and give it up to moving_comfort !!! (: what do you mean, "moving_comfort"?

I think this place is under the spell of mindless consumerism, it;s like watching tv, the same things over and over again. To break the spell you have to be alive, and enjoy life.

Taking pictures is a joy, is looking at this world with passion. One can also think, off course.

So I reply with an image, enjoy!

It is shot with a 7D, D800 is more than I ever hoped for, it's unbelievable, really!

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I like your black & white shots, they are very nice. I can see it is not only you who are having fun but the kids in front of the camera too.
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Re: D800 examples from D700 users's perspective (180 2.8, 50 1.8D)
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Great examples, as usual. They've been great subjects for you.

Interesting to get your perspective on D700/D800. Not surprised though, considering other reviews I've seen. I was a bit late to the party with the D700 so I feel like I'm still learning how to really get the most out of it. What you and Lance are saying about the IQ difference is pretty scary considering the detail that can be resolved by the D700.

If I had an absolute need to make bigger prints I'd probably make the leap, but I've printed out D700 jpeg files (and not at full resolution (@ 50%)) that were very detailed at small poster size (24 x 36). If I replace my backup (D300s) it may be with another D700. Time will tell. Then again - we are talking about camera equipment - my tune could change before the end of the week...

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OP,

Can we get your comparison opinion at ISO 6400?

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Colour is best)
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Nice sharp pictures. Vic

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moving_comfort,

Nice post! And the picture are so nice. Watching the children have fun made me smile. Great photos, both color & the B&W conversions. And it is great to see a post showing what the D800 can do instead of a bunch of complaints.

You & Lance also have really demonstrated what the D800 is all about.

Thank you for your post,

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excellent shooting - files look great - terrific detail

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Great post and wonderful images!

Thank you

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You hit the nail on the head. It goes to prove that in the right hands you can do truly wonderful work. Enjoy my friend.
Thanks for the post.
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Re: D800 examples from D700 users's perspective (180 2.8, 50 1.8D)
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Lance B wrote:

I think you're the first person to actually sum it up almost perfectly. Well done on being so concise and to hit the nail on the head!

Thanks Lance. I'm trying to be objective and look for differences (pro & con) from the D700, because I think that would be useful to a lot of folks.

(And I have to say your shots helped dispel doubts I had about giving this body a whirl! )

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