We've all been duped....

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DonTom
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We've all been duped....
May 19, 2012

Into thinking we are buying an interchangeable lens camera....

For many of us, the lenses stay the same, but the camera body is interchangeable...

Bloody engineers and marketing guys. It's a conspiracy I tell ya....

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Ulfric M Douglas
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Interchangeable bodies.
In reply to DonTom, May 19, 2012

DonTom wrote:

Into thinking we are buying an interchangeable lens camera....

For many of us, the lenses stay the same, but the camera body is interchangeable...

I totally agree.

Case in point : just now I swapped my e-pL2 body onto my 17mm (from e-P1 daytime body) so I could use that lens with a bounced flash.

I have FAR too many bodies right now ...

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Really depends on your own buying desires.
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I have been a Canon dslr user for 8 years. In those 8 years I bought 2 camera bodies (300D and 450D) and I bought 10 lenses (but never had more than 4 at the same time).
So for me it really was a camera with interchangeable lenses.

I sold everything and got the E-M5 with three lenses (12-50, 20mm and 75-300). So I have one camera with 3 interchangeable lenses and if I buy anything more in the next few years it will not be a body but will be lenses.

However for some people it will be the opposite: they stick with the lenses they have and continuously upgrade bodies (whereas I skip at least 2, preferably 3 generations).

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Re: Really depends on your own buying desires.
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Paul De Bra wrote:

I have been a Canon dslr user for 8 years. In those 8 years I bought 2 camera bodies (300D and 450D) and I bought 10 lenses (but never had more than 4 at the same time).
So for me it really was a camera with interchangeable lenses.

I sold everything and got the E-M5 with three lenses (12-50, 20mm and 75-300). So I have one camera with 3 interchangeable lenses and if I buy anything more in the next few years it will not be a body but will be lenses.

However for some people it will be the opposite: they stick with the lenses they have and continuously upgrade bodies (whereas I skip at least 2, preferably 3 generations).

You need a 60 mm lens...

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In reply to DonTom, May 19, 2012

Everyone (?) knows optics has been prima for the last 50 yrs.
Yes, som coating has been added, but labor has been reduced...to keep cost down.

Bodies, (wives aside) has gone through a tremendous change.
2012 is almost up to pair with a 35 yrs. OM 4 Ti with Fuji Reala.

But, my Zuiko's (with MC) can still deliver, even beat, the modern cakes......

So, who the hell is selling the great glass? I don't.
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In reply to DonTom, May 19, 2012

DonTom wrote:

Into thinking we are buying an interchangeable lens camera....

For many of us, the lenses stay the same, but the camera body is interchangeable...

Bloody engineers and marketing guys. It's a conspiracy I tell ya....

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You are at the wrong forum. You must post at the other MILC forum -> "Sony NEX talk"

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nt)Not for me, eight 4-3 lenses, not to mention OM & Lensbaby!
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I've had two Canon bodies (D60 and 5D) since 2001, but many more lenses (something like 8). But since I've bought into mft cameras in 2009, I've already had four bodies and have an E-M5 hopefully coming soon, but I have a lot of mft lenses too (five primes and several zooms).

There are two reasons why things are so :

1) The cameras were still in a developping state. Each one brought something I felt I needed : E-P1 had many flaws, it lacked the plug for the VF and it was slow. The G1 had the articulated lcd and its AF was far more responsive and it had a good VF. Then the G3 had a better sensor.. Then the E-P3 had a much better AF and I prefered the Olympus ergonimic to the Panasonic one. Finally I've ordered the E-M5 because I think it is really a well thought camera, taking benefit of all the technologies advances.

2) With respect to my Canon cameras, the mft ones are way cheaper, they cost between 1/4th and 1/8th what the Canon cameras costed at the time.

All this push you toward gear acquisition. However I hope that now that the E-M5 has all you would ever need in a camera, the photo expenses should diminish and get near what the Canon was.

Paul De Bra wrote:

I have been a Canon dslr user for 8 years. In those 8 years I bought 2 camera bodies (300D and 450D) and I bought 10 lenses (but never had more than 4 at the same time).
So for me it really was a camera with interchangeable lenses.

I sold everything and got the E-M5 with three lenses (12-50, 20mm and 75-300). So I have one camera with 3 interchangeable lenses and if I buy anything more in the next few years it will not be a body but will be lenses.

However for some people it will be the opposite: they stick with the lenses they have and continuously upgrade bodies (whereas I skip at least 2, preferably 3 generations).

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DonTom wrote:

For many of us, the lenses stay the same, but the camera body is interchangeable...

Leica is a perfect example of that. My lenses have remained the same for years but the bodies have changed.

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2 bodies GF1 and GH2 Which are both used by my wife and I. 8 lenses which are all used except for the 14-42 kit. My next purchase will be the 75 1.8 if it is indeed $800.
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George Spencer wrote:

DonTom wrote:

For many of us, the lenses stay the same, but the camera body is interchangeable...

Leica is a perfect example of that. My lenses have remained the same for years but the bodies have changed.

For me this is still a young system and I am still sorting out my lens collection. I'm sure at some point I'll have the glass selection I want and then my buying will shift to bodies. I think I'm getting close to rounding out my lenses, but I still have a few on my list.
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Re: We've all been duped....No it is the nature of the beast
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People collect or change bodies others change lenses while others concentrate on taking photographs ....I have two M4/3 lens and two bodies to use them on. The second body as having a spare lens sitting in its wrapper in the draw.

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DonTom wrote:

For many of us, the lenses stay the same, but the camera body is interchangeable...

Bloody engineers and marketing guys. It's a conspiracy I tell ya....

When cameras were mechanical, you'd plan to keep one for years and would. Very little would change from model to model, year to year, so there wasn't this hyper, frantic upgrade cycle and compulsion of today. Over time you'd add a few lenses. Eventually, you'd replace the camera and use the same lenses.

The lenses were the system.

The only difference now is that cameras are now electronic devices, handheld computers you attach lenses to. As features are refined... speed, ISO and AF performance improve, you upgrade the camera and keep using the lenses.

Not much has changed except for the accelerated upgrade cycle.

The cool thing about using the M4/3 system is that now I can merge past systems into the current system. The Nikon lenses I bought in the late 80s I use with the Pentax lenses my late father-in-law bought in 1970 along side the Olympus OM telephoto my late grandfather bought in the early 80s. All those work with my new, electronic M4/3 camera and lenses.

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It's still an interchangable lens system ...it's not up to the manufacturer's to make you buy a lens ...or do wnat every camera body to come with at least two lenses?

Note to marketers - here is a guy who just helped you out with selling an extra lens for every body bought.

DonTom wrote:

Into thinking we are buying an interchangeable lens camera....

For many of us, the lenses stay the same, but the camera body is interchangeable...

Bloody engineers and marketing guys. It's a conspiracy I tell ya....

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Thorgrem wrote:

DonTom wrote:

Into thinking we are buying an interchangeable lens camera....

For many of us, the lenses stay the same, but the camera body is interchangeable...

You are at the wrong forum. You must post at the other MILC forum -> "Sony NEX talk"

LOL, I've bought 5 native lenses since February and run 6-7 lenses (+2 converters) in my bag at all times. I was almost talked into a 6th native lens, but I decided to wait and see what comes out at the end of this year.

I'm not gonna be a dick about it, but I do find this irony sweet.

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Been thinking about selling all my DSLR lenses and cameras, too, to get the OMD -- but I'm wondering if you miss not having something in between the 50 and 75 mm available? (i.e., 12-50 and 75-300) Seems like that 55-75 range is missing and only covered by the 40-150, which I've heard isn't all that good. (Is that true?)

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Hi

I remember on the 4/3 forum that people said that good glass never really becomes outdated, but actually t is not true, and it is m4/3 that has made it so. What use is an Olympus 14-54, or 12-60mm on an OMD or Pen given the size and AF performance limitations vs the m4/3 equivalents? this will become more true as time goes on.

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DtEW wrote:

LOL, I've bought 5 native lenses since February and run 6-7 lenses (+2 converters) in my bag at all times. I was almost talked into a 6th native lens, but I decided to wait and see what comes out at the end of this year.

So you have almost al the native NEX lensens. Good for you.

Let mee see:
16mm
18-55mm
18-200mm
30mm
55-210mm
24mm
50mm
18-200mm tamron
30mm sigma
19mm sigma

10 lenses and you have 7 of them (and some are even still not available) . You must be a very good costumer. Contrary to almost all other NEX owners who are complaining about the available lenses. To little, to late and a lot who don't have enough quality for the money.

NEX-3
NEX-5
NEX-C3
NEX-5N
NEX-7
NEX-F3
FX-1000

7 camera's (1 announcement , 1 other announcement will follow soon, NEX-F5).

Almost a real Mirrorless Interchangeable-Body Camera (MIBC)

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In reply to Susan G, May 20, 2012

With 16MP there is so much cropping power that when 50mm is just not long enough I tend to just crop a bit. So no the gap between 50 and 75mm is not a problem at all. But I think the gap between 50 and 100 would have been more of a problem, had I gone for the Pana 100-300.

Soon the gap will be filled by the new Pana 35-100 which should be very good and very expensive. So I tried to anticipate this and got the 75-300 in order not to be tempted to get the 35-100.

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Thorgrem wrote:

10 lenses and you have 7 of them (and some are even still not available) . You must be a very good costumer. Contrary to almost all other NEX owners who are complaining about the available lenses. To little, to late and a lot who don't have enough quality for the money.

NEX-3
NEX-5
NEX-C3
NEX-5N
NEX-7
NEX-F3
FX-1000

7 camera's (1 announcement , 1 other announcement will follow soon, NEX-F5).

Still doesn't change the irony.

And if there's any doubt of availability and whether I have them, my gallery features samples w/EXIFs from every one of them.

It's funny that you're choosing to include bodies that have long gone out of production (3 and 5), and ones that haven't hit the market (F3) nor even announced (F5) to exaggerate your point. Is winning an argument by any means possible that important to you?

Almost a real Mirrorless Interchangeable-Body Camera (MIBC)

Again, this is the irony I'm pointing out. Because by your standard, the system as I have realized it is much more of interchangeable lens system than most people here. So that says something about your standard, or rather double-standard.

And I'm in the process of pruning lenses from my bag to take for my bike tour of Angel Island with a photography group tomorrow. Traveling light. Taking only 3 lenses and two converters.

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