D800 (wireless) tethered shooting

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denooyer
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D800 (wireless) tethered shooting
May 15, 2012

Hey guys,

What would be the best way for shooting tethered wirelessly with the D800?

I was planning on buying a 15/20 meter USB cable, but apparently it's not a wise thing to use such a long USB cable (losing signal/speed).

Apart from that there are only 20 meter USB 2.0 cables. The USB 3.0 extension cables I can find are only 5 meters.

A wireless version of shooting tethered would be nicer anyway, but I don't really like the $700 expense of the WT-4 transmitter. I'm quessing Nikon will provide a newer and smaller transmitter for the D800 in some time, just like the new WT-5 for the D4.
I also understand that the WT-5 is a lot quicker than the WT-4?

Should check on Nikon if they have plans for a new transmitter. Nikon Netherlands told me that there were no plans for an upgrade, but I quess I should ask Nikon USA

Then I see a lot of clever guys building and soldering wireless USB stuff: http://www.jamiecarl.com.au/blog/wireless-tethering-the-next-level/

I like speed, reliability, small size and use the camera with grip + L-bracket so sticking out antennas on the left is no option.

Anyone with a good recommendation?

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In reply to denooyer, May 15, 2012

Have you looked at EyeFi?

http://www.eye.fi/

I think USB 2.0 maximum cable length is 16 feet. The issue has to do with propagation delay in the cable (about 1 nS per foot) and longer cable lengths cause timing issues.

You can add a powered hub/extender to get more reach, but that has its own issues.

If you need longer distances, wireless is the way to go. EyeFi is supposed to be fast.

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user_name wrote:

Have you looked at EyeFi?

http://www.eye.fi/

I think USB 2.0 maximum cable length is 16 feet. The issue has to do with propagation delay in the cable (about 1 nS per foot) and longer cable lengths cause timing issues.

You can add a powered hub/extender to get more reach, but that has its own issues.

If you need longer distances, wireless is the way to go. EyeFi is supposed to be fast.

I was planning on using the EyeFi card with iPad first, but was worried about the speed and reliability. I just can't permit to fuzz around while the client is standing next to me.

The WT-4 is probably the best way to go looking at professionalism, and the cost is not the main issue, but I don't like the size and the apperently 'slow' transfer rate (as the WT-5 is supposed to be faster).

I read somewhere on a blog that the guys selfbuild wireless USB transmitter was even faster than Nikons transmitter, that would be pretty cool at a $100 cost.
http://nikonrumors.com/2011/06/17/diy-wireless-tethering-for-nikon-d300s.aspx/

There are also USB 3.0 extension cables which are 'active'.

http://www.shop.tethertools.com/TetherPro-USB-30-SuperSpeed-Active-Extension-Cable-CU30.htm
This one goes up to 20 meters and is only $50...

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In reply to denooyer, May 15, 2012

This is how I do high-speed (480Mpbs) wireless USB2 upto 40 feet for about $50-75 USD - no delay, no network involved, handles large JPEG and RAW files.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=40887426

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In reply to denooyer, May 15, 2012

I've got a powered, USB extension cord but I agree, wireless is the way to go. I've also used Eye-Fi cards and while they work, it still not ideal.

My friend has a D4 with the WT-5 and Nikon has hit a home run with that set up. The key feature is the built in websever functionality that allows you to connect and operate the camera and preview images while they are still on the camera. This makes all the interaction fast and easy. Only when you select one to download do you have any noticeable delay during the transfer but it's still fast.

I'm hoping that Nikon will release a new WT-4 replacement that includes the webserver functionality. I understand that Nikon is using wireless as a differentiating feature to the D4 but perhaps the difference could be that the feature is small/built in to the camera with the D4 and requires a larger transmitter (like the WT-4) for other cameras.

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Michael Firstlight wrote:

This is how I do high-speed (480Mpbs) wireless USB2 upto 40 feet for about $50-75 USD - no delay, no network involved, handles large JPEG and RAW files.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=40887426

Regards,
Mike

I have read this solution before and it looked great, but when I was checking the Amazon page: http://www.amazon.com/...nlimited-Wireless-Transmitter-Receiver/dp/B0036VNZHA , I saw that the customer reviews are not that good at all...

So is that wireless USB kit really reliable? If it really works I still think it's the best way to go.

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Steve Ridges wrote:

I've got a powered, USB extension cord but I agree, wireless is the way to go. I've also used Eye-Fi cards and while they work, it still not ideal.

My friend has a D4 with the WT-5 and Nikon has hit a home run with that set up. The key feature is the built in websever functionality that allows you to connect and operate the camera and preview images while they are still on the camera. This makes all the interaction fast and easy. Only when you select one to download do you have any noticeable delay during the transfer but it's still fast.

I'm hoping that Nikon will release a new WT-4 replacement that includes the webserver functionality. I understand that Nikon is using wireless as a differentiating feature to the D4 but perhaps the difference could be that the feature is small/built in to the camera with the D4 and requires a larger transmitter (like the WT-4) for other cameras.

Right on. I think we should bombard Nikon with requests for building a smaller WT-4 solution...

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In reply to denooyer, May 15, 2012

it is 100% reliable - I know lots of people that have done this and I am suspecting some nefarious comments on Amazon were plants from commercial solution peddlers.

Mike

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Michael Firstlight wrote:

it is 100% reliable - I know lots of people that have done this and I am suspecting some nefarious comments on Amazon were plants from commercial solution peddlers.

Mike

Cool. Thanks for your reply! I will check on the USB kit very soon. The $700 WT-4 is ridiculous if this works as good or even better.

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In reply to denooyer, May 15, 2012

The real difference with the WT4A is more distance. However, people forget that it is based on 802.11 -which, even with a decent signal and router, rarely throttles above 150Mbps. The Wireless USB2 within say, 20-40 feet runs 2-3 times that rate. Plus, there is no network connection lag or drops.

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Michael Firstlight wrote:

The real difference with the WT4A is more distance. However, people forget that it is based on 802.11 -which, even with a decent signal and router, rarely throttles above 150Mbps. The Wireless USB2 within say, 20-40 feet runs 2-3 times that rate. Plus, there is no network connection lag or drops.

Regards,
Mike

Too bad the Cables Unlimited Wireless USB Kit can't be shipped internationally... :-S
Searching for other stores that have this item didn't gave me any luck either.

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In reply to denooyer, May 15, 2012

Thanks to the above poster on this thread, I found this longer length Micro B to USB3 cable in Orange ... a bright color is somthing you grow to appreciate on a night shoot, or dark studio 15 foot $ 48.95

http://www.shop.tethertools.com/TetherPro-USB-30-SuperSpeed-Micro-B-Cable-CU545.htm

A cheaper but blue BUT shorter 12 foot is $ 9.99 and super saving shipping. How can you go wrong with that.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006T8SFJ0/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A294P4X9EWVXLJ

I like the direct MicroB because you don't have to worry about a disconnect (though you do end up with a longer length if you go with a extention booster type .. I currently use a USB2 at about 20 feet)

My preferance is to have one long cord. Hoping for a Micro B that will be 20 foot.

When teather is for pay ... I prefer Wired solutions if I am close enough.
That even goes for Networking.
Too bad the D800 does not have ethernet

HG

denooyer wrote:

Hey guys,

What would be the best way for shooting tethered wirelessly with the D800?

I was planning on buying a 15/20 meter USB cable, but apparently it's not a wise thing to use such a long USB cable (losing signal/speed).

Apart from that there are only 20 meter USB 2.0 cables. The USB 3.0 extension cables I can find are only 5 meters.

A wireless version of shooting tethered would be nicer anyway, but I don't really like the $700 expense of the WT-4 transmitter. I'm quessing Nikon will provide a newer and smaller transmitter for the D800 in some time, just like the new WT-5 for the D4.
I also understand that the WT-5 is a lot quicker than the WT-4?

Should check on Nikon if they have plans for a new transmitter. Nikon Netherlands told me that there were no plans for an upgrade, but I quess I should ask Nikon USA

Then I see a lot of clever guys building and soldering wireless USB stuff: http://www.jamiecarl.com.au/blog/wireless-tethering-the-next-level/

I like speed, reliability, small size and use the camera with grip + L-bracket so sticking out antennas on the left is no option.

Anyone with a good recommendation?

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Re: Like the MicroB to USB3 cables
In reply to Hawaii-geek, May 16, 2012

Hawaii-geek wrote:

Thanks to the above poster on this thread, I found this longer length Micro B to USB3 cable in Orange ... a bright color is somthing you grow to appreciate on a night shoot, or dark studio 15 foot $ 48.95

http://www.shop.tethertools.com/TetherPro-USB-30-SuperSpeed-Micro-B-Cable-CU545.htm

My preferance is to have one long cord. Hoping for a Micro B that will be 20 foot.

They have it in black too, but orange is a good color (if you are from Holland it is.. :-))
And it really is a noticable color, so your client won't stumble over it.

But you are right, they should make an active USB version of this cable in 20 meter.

I like wired tethering as well, for being reliable and not having extra batteries that have to be charged for a shoot. It's just one less obstacle to have a succesful shoot.

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No Mac support?
In reply to denooyer, May 16, 2012

Apparently the Cables Unlimited Wireless USB Kit has no Mac support... I'm shooting on a Macbook, so that's too bad for me.

Does anyone know of a Wireless USB solution (no network version) that works with a Macbook?

I will order an active USB 3.0 20meter cable instead: http://www.shop.tethertools.com/TetherPro-USB-30-SuperSpeed-Active-Extension-Cable-CU30.htm

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If it helps I just added D800/D800E/D4 support to TetherPro

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There is another option: Active Repeater USB 3.0 Cable (5m long)

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denooyer wrote:

Michael Firstlight wrote:

This is how I do high-speed (480Mpbs) wireless USB2 upto 40 feet for about $50-75 USD - no delay, no network involved, handles large JPEG and RAW files.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=40887426

Regards,
Mike

I have read this solution before and it looked great, but when I was checking the Amazon page: http://www.amazon.com/...nlimited-Wireless-Transmitter-Receiver/dp/B0036VNZHA , I saw that the customer reviews are not that good at all...

So is that wireless USB kit really reliable? If it really works I still think it's the best way to go.

That company went bankrupt and the product is no more available, here is another similar kit ,
I will test it soon

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In reply to babeliak, Feb 9, 2013

If you do go with a wired solution I would suggest something like the new RRS Cable Relief Spacer.  http://reallyrightstuff.com/ProductDesc.aspx?code=CRS

A friend just got a $275 quote from Canon to fix his 5D Mk2's USB port due to constant strain on the port.

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Re: D800 tethered shooting - Specifically WiFi
In reply to denooyer, Feb 25, 2013

QUESTION: Is it possible to use a USB->WiFi adapter, connected to Nikon D800's USB socket and a power source, to at least transfer JPEGs over WiFi (not wireless USB) to some software?
I would like to implement a faster alternative to wireless shooting on my D800 than EyeFi Pro X2.

So far I understand that a DIY solution using Wireless USB (like this Cables Unlimited DisplayDock Wireless USB Docking Station ) is what people have used to get roughly 2x speed improvement over EyeFi.

What confuses me is Wireless USB (as in USB -> Some Wireless Protocol -> USB) is sometimes used in discussions / postings on the subject interchangeably with USB -> WiFi. Furthermore it seems Nikon's own adapters seem to work over bona fide WiFi, as do EyeFi cards. Do Nikon and EyeFi implement an image host/server function that a USB->WiFi adapter connected to Nikon's USB output would not?

I just need JPEGs transferred to the computer (Windows 7 if that helps) at a low latency / high speed as RAW+JPEG images are being taken.

I'd love to use 802.11ac protocol to wirelessly tether Nikon D800 to a PC for JPEGs. Perhaps ideally using Asus USB-AC53 connected to the camera and power source and talking to their RT-AC66U .

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In reply to Alec, Apr 3, 2013

Alec - I think you may want to check out this new wireless tethering system called CamRanger. I was just at WPPI in Las Vegas a couple of weeks ago and it seemed to be the hot item at the show. I got a demo and it's pretty sweet! Looks like you can shoot from your camera, attach the CamRanger to it, then your images will tether to any ios device. I've read a couple reviews out there, and it looks like the way to go.

Hope this helps.

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