What's A57 advantages over A65?

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Does the A65 have the multi auto noise reduction feature? Because it's great on the 57!

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AutoISO is capped at 3200 on A57, 1600 on A65.

Is the highest iso user adjustable? If not I prefer it stop at iso1600 but ideal would be to make it user adjustable as with the A77.

Not adjustable on the A57 either, its AutoISO is always capped at 3200.

Funny, my 2005 Fuji P&S had adjustable auto ISO limit. 'Tis beyond the bizarre into the twilight zone.

I'm happy with my A33, but my appetite for lens purchases dwindles when I see there is so little customer feedback path in this company. Probably why they're otherwise in trouble. But the new boss may fix it...

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Does the A65 have the multi auto noise reduction feature? Because it's great on the 57!

Yes. Even the A33/A55/A580 had that two years ago.

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A57 doesn't have a GPS, which is an advantage if traveling to places where GPS's aren't allowed.

Where is that the case? Never heard that before.

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Do the a57 and a65 have the same size viewfinder?
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A57 doesn't have a GPS, which is an advantage if traveling to places where GPS's aren't allowed.

Where is that the case? Never heard that before.

See http://gpsinformation.net/main/gpstravel.htm

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Do the a57 and a65 have the same size viewfinder?

I believe they are the same size but the A65 uses LED technology so it has a greater contrast ratio, refreshes faster and has none of the tearing when panning that the A57 LCD has.

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Smaller files on your hard drive, if you take a zillion pics like I do.

If that's an issue you can always use the 12mp mode on the A65 for smaller files or even 6mp for smaller yet. Quite frankly that is a ridiculous thing to post as an advantage. I have tens of thousands of photos on my 2GB hard drive and they barely make a dent.

Also I take a lot of video, much in poor light and the 1600 iso limit hasn't been a problem yet.

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Also I take a lot of video, much in poor light and the 1600 iso limit hasn't been a problem yet.

It's all good that you are happy with A65. No one has said A65 doesn't have advantages. It's $200 more expensive also. A77 is much better than A65 too.

That doesn't change the fact that A57 is a better deal than A65 for many people, especially if they are on tighter budget. Cameras come and go. A65 will be replaced by newer model by next year.

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In reply to KingDon, May 15, 2012

As a new a57 owner I'm not getting this "you're an idiot for not getting an a65" undercurrent that seems to be a part of each one of these threads. I'd be happy to tell you why I chose the a57 over the a65 but I feel no need to justify my purchase and certainly feel no buyers remorse. I think they are both great cameras.

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That doesn't change the fact that A57 is a better deal than A65 for many people, especially if they are on tighter budget. Cameras come and go. A65 will be replaced by newer model by next year.

That is true but people shouldn't be deluded that overall the A57 is somehow "better" for less money. The way I see it it's 90% as good as the A65 for $200 less. I look at the A65 vs the A77 the same way with the A65 90% as good as the A77 and costs $500 less. For me among the 3 cameras the A65 is the best value. Others may feel differently.

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tbcass wrote:

ET2 wrote:

That doesn't change the fact that A57 is a better deal than A65 for many people, especially if they are on tighter budget. Cameras come and go. A65 will be replaced by newer model by next year.

That is true but people shouldn't be deluded that overall the A57 is somehow "better" for less money. The way I see it it's 90% as good as the A65 for $200 less. I look at the A65 vs the A77 the same way with the A65 90% as good as the A77 and costs $500 less. For me among the 3 cameras the A65 is the best value. Others may feel differently.

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Well put!

I've discussed A65 / A57 with friends who are impressed with the A77 but don't want to spend that much..

I tell that it's basically

  • 24 vs 16 MP which means Better High ISO vs Better Resolution

  • OLED Viewfinder vs Only slightly smaller but field sequential EVF

  • GPS vs no-GPS

  • 12fps @ 8MP, A65 maxes out at 10fps @ 24MP

  • One or two new software features like Auto-portrait/clear zoom..

It's very much impossible to pick a 'winner' when you have some healthy positives on both sides..

The thread title/purpose was slightly misplaced, since the A57 is not a successor to the A65, it's a different variant..

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That is true but people shouldn't be deluded that overall the A57 is somehow "better" for less money. The way I see it it's 90% as good as the A65 for $200 less. I look at the A65 vs the A77 the same way with the A65 90% as good as the A77 and costs $500 less. For me among the 3 cameras the A65 is the best value. Others may feel differently.

You are doing nothing here but showing your bias of the camera you own. You have been doing this for a while now since A57 was announced.

The difference between A77 vs A65 is much larger than A65 vs A57. It could be disputable whether A65 is worth 2 hundred dollars more. Some people like the 16 MP sensor, but there is no dispute that A77 is vastly superior camera than A65.

Some of the differences between A77 vs A65 (that's not a complete list). From RW Perk

Now according to you, all these differences between A77 vs A65 are not worth $300 more, but A65 is worth $200 more than A57

The A77 shutter is rated for a durability of 150K actuations, vs the 100K actuation rating on the A65 shutter.

More AF points (15 vs 19). Furthermore, 11 of those on the A77 are cross type compared to only 3 on the A65

Stronger AF illumination lamp (5m vs 7m)

A more flexible (wider range and stepping) exposure compensation

more flexible AE bracketing with up to 5 selectable frames

Faster maximum shutter speed (1/4000 sec vs 1/8000 sec)

Faster flash sync (1/250 sec. vs 1/160 sec.)

Stronger pop-up flash (12m vs 10m) and wider flash EV compensation

Faster continuous shooting speed (12 vs 10 fps) and larger buffer ( just 1 shot extra in ‘standard’ mode)

Adding an ‘Extra fine’ JPEG image quality mode

More Creative options

Environmentally sealed

Better build quality (magnesium alloy/plastic vs plastic)

The ability to customize the ISO upper and lower limit, with the a65 you can’t

2 control dials vs one on the A65

Ability to fine-tune the autofocus

A77 has a joystick controller

A77 has a top LCD panel

The A77 has a triple hinged articulating display versus double hinged on the A65

Flash sync socket

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Well put!

Nothing was well "put" .. The $1200 A77 is only $300 more than the $900 A65. If A65 is worth $200 more than the $700 A57, then A77 is for sure worth $300 more than A65... .

As I said , for people with tighter budget, A57 could be a better deal. Different people have a different tolerance point on how much they want to spend on a camera that will become an outdated model in a couple of years.

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This is so very, very true.

ET2 wrote:

Different people have a different tolerance point on how much they want to spend on a camera that will become an outdated model in a couple of years.

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philbot wrote:

Well put!

Nothing was well "put" .. The $1200 A77 is only $300 more than the $900 A65.

I've never seen the A77 for $1200. It seems that $1400 body only is the standard (Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto).

Of course, neither camera is worth it until they get the flash problems resolved. It's really unacceptable for cameras on this level in this day and age to have such serious flash issues as being reported by users in various threads. I'm holding off mostly because of that reason.

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I have tens of thousands of photos on my 2GB hard drive and they barely make a dent.

Must be a typo.... I haven't seen a drive that small in 10 years or so.

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philbot wrote:

Well put!

Nothing was well "put" .. The $1200 A77 is only $300 more than the $900 A65. If A65 is worth $200 more than the $700 A57, then A77 is for sure worth $300 more than A65... .

As I said , for people with tighter budget, A57 could be a better deal. Different people have a different tolerance point on how much they want to spend on a camera that will become an outdated model in a couple of years.

His sentiment is well put, you seem to have gone all pedantic on this..

I have an A77, I have no issues in recommending the A65 or A57 as a cheaper alternative, all he was pointing out is that people should not delude themselves into thinking the A57 is universally better then the A65 and an educated decision needs to be made based on individual value for money..

I sense you are arguing different points.

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ET2 wrote:

philbot wrote:

Well put!

Nothing was well "put" .. The $1200 A77 is only $300 more than the $900 A65. If A65 is worth $200 more than the $700 A57, then A77 is for sure worth $300 more than A65... .

As I said , for people with tighter budget, A57 could be a better deal. Different people have a different tolerance point on how much they want to spend on a camera that will become an outdated model in a couple of years.

The A77 is $1400 body only on Amazon vs $900 for the A65. If you can find a new one for $1200 grab it. I might have considered buying one myself rather than the A65 if it was $1200. As I said in my post the A65 seems the best deal for me . Sorry if that made you angry.

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Cool down. You seem to have a big problem with people with a different point of view than yours.
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