Thom on D800 lens choice

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Thom on D800 lens choice
May 14, 2012

Thom wrote today (5/14) about lens choice for the D800. Worth a read:

http://www.bythom.com/index.htm

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Thanks for the tip. I'm going to go take a look.
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Hm. That really was a thought provoking read.

I need to think on that a bit and read it again.

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Having 36 MP to work with means the 24-70 can be cropped to get the reach of a 24-120 and still have lots of pixels to work with. This has been my goto lens so far.
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chuck1260 wrote:

Having 36 MP to work with means the 24-70 can be cropped to get the reach of a 24-120 and still have lots of pixels to work with. This has been my goto lens so far.

And using the 24-120mm f/4 with 1.2 crop allows a very generous range of 24-144mm (while still providing 36Mp - 24Mp) or with a 1.5 crop allows a range of 24-180mm (36Mp - 15Mp). I think you are going to see a lot more people use these lenses as all-purpose "walk around" lenses, especially on the D800.

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Thom wrote today (5/14) about lens choice for the D800. Worth a read:

http://www.bythom.com/index.htm

I have criticized Thom's comments about lenses in the past, but in this post he indeed gets it pretty much right.

I'm eagerly expecting the 28-50-85mm f/1.8 lenses since I got the D800. Unfortunately, they were long out of stock everywhere. Last week I bought the 50/1.8G from a local Best Buy and it fully lives up to my expectations. A simply excellent little lens with good build quality and accurate and reliable autofocus on the D800. I wish Canon had offered such a normal prime for all the years I was stuck in the Canon system. The 85/1.8G will actually be delivered today from Amazon and I also placed a preorder for the 28/1.8G as soon as it appeared on the Amazon website.

These three lenses with the D800 are for me a dream come true!

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Is choosing a mid-range zoom to make the best use of 36MP really such a concern for anybody that it warrants an article? You choose the lens based on what focal range and aperture you need.

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ocean7 wrote:

Is choosing a mid-range zoom to make the best use of 36MP really such a concern for anybody that it warrants an article? You choose the lens based on what focal range and aperture you need.

I think that in his "article" Thom was just responding to reader's questions. I have noticed on this forum and other forums the subject has appeared a lot.

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mattr wrote:

GAP IMAGES wrote:

Thom wrote today (5/14) about lens choice for the D800. Worth a read:

http://www.bythom.com/index.htm

I have criticized Thom's comments about lenses in the past, but in this post he indeed gets it pretty much right.

I'm eagerly expecting the 28-50-85mm f/1.8 lenses since I got the D800. Unfortunately, they were long out of stock everywhere. Last week I bought the 50/1.8G from a local Best Buy and it fully lives up to my expectations. A simply excellent little lens with good build quality and accurate and reliable autofocus on the D800. I wish Canon had offered such a normal prime for all the years I was stuck in the Canon system. The 85/1.8G will actually be delivered today from Amazon and I also placed a preorder for the 28/1.8G as soon as it appeared on the Amazon website.

These three lenses with the D800 are for me a dream come true!

And perhaps add the 105 to that 28-50-85 trio for Macro shots?

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I dont really get that article either; they are three completely different lenses. If you are a working pro or simply want the best, then the 24-70/2.8 cannot be replaced by either option he mentions. If you want a 10x zoom, then the 24-70/2.8 is obviously a non-starter.

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And perhaps add the 105 to that 28-50-85 trio for Macro shots?

I would opt for the stabilized Sigma 150/2.8 macro as the perfect extension of the FL series. 105mm is just too close to 85mm. Of course, what I really hope is that Nikon will extend the series at both ends (17/2.8, 150/2.8 macro, 250/4, 450/5.6). But I guess I'm being greedy here..

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As usual there is some good stuff in Thom's articles, but sometimes I think he loses the plot along the way in his writing. As others have said, these three lenses are really meant for different things.

There are other considerations as well, such as cost, weight and size, to take into account when considering such lens choices.

Plus, there are the rumored, and hopefully true, 24-XX and 28-XXX non-f/2.8 and non-constant aperture lenses that may be coming out.

If I change out my D700 for a D800 I will likely still use my 24-85 AFS or 28-105D because of their usefulness, not because of their IQ on the D800 as I will not be using all 36MP and will do some major down-sampling (as Thom alludes to).

Personally I'm going for the 28/1.8AFS, 50/1.8AFS, and 135/1.8AFS low-light trio when the first and last become available. What camera I put them on - D600, D700, or D800 - it doesn't matter at this point.

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I have used my 24-70mm f/2.8 and 70-200mm VRII f/2.8 with the D800 I received on last Monday. This weekend I shot an airshow with the D800 and my D4. Here are a couple with the D800 + 70-200mm

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mattr wrote:

GAP IMAGES wrote:

And perhaps add the 105 to that 28-50-85 trio for Macro shots?

I would opt for the stabilized Sigma 150/2.8 macro as the perfect extension of the FL series. 105mm is just too close to 85mm. Of course, what I really hope is that Nikon will extend the series at both ends (17/2.8, 150/2.8 macro, 250/4, 450/5.6). But I guess I'm being greedy here..

LOL ... yes you are!

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GAP IMAGES wrote:

mattr wrote:

GAP IMAGES wrote:

And perhaps add the 105 to that 28-50-85 trio for Macro shots?

I would opt for the stabilized Sigma 150/2.8 macro as the perfect extension of the FL series. 105mm is just too close to 85mm. Of course, what I really hope is that Nikon will extend the series at both ends (17/2.8, 150/2.8 macro, 250/4, 450/5.6). But I guess I'm being greedy here..

LOL ... yes you are!

Who knows? Every single one of these lenses would sell well.

Nikon seems on a roll these days and a nice set of new and state-of-the-art but still relatively compact and affordable primes would put them in an outstanding competitive position, especially given the D800 and probably soon a full frame D600. The 150/2.8 macro could replace the 105/2.8 macro as far as I am concerned. They have already the excellent 60/2.8 macro for closer distance work. The current AF-S 300/4 could be replaced with a new 250/4G VC. Canon's 400/5.6 is very popular and Nikon really needs something to compete. A 450/5.6G VC would trump the Canon offering in every way and it would be a huge seller if they keep the price below about $2500.

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I was going to suggest this group as the ideal travel set with the D800 but didn't want to get lynched

Glad Thom said it

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Thom wrote today (5/14) about lens choice for the D800. Worth a read:

http://www.bythom.com/index.htm

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There's something I'm confused about, and I've been trying to find the thread from several says ago, but there's a gallery on "500MPix" ? or something like that where one guy with a D800 has stopped down from f14-22 and gotten outstanding scenic shots with great DOF of course, but little to now diffraction problems that I could see. And while looking over them, I was thinking "What about all these diffraction concerns I'm constantly reading about these days with the D800 bodies(both)? This guy here(named Gary something)is getting great results stopping all the way down! And he's got a D800!"

I'll try & find that thread again. Originally posted by someone named Anne. Thought I had bookmarked it, but apparently not.

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Not wide enough, but you'll get your exercise.
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I'd want 24mm for my wide prime. Too bad the 1.4 version is so expensive.

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The review addresses shooting at smaller apertures and shows diffraction effects. It also wisely suggests that depth of field needs may trump worries about diffraction, and that sharpening in post can restore much of the detail lost to diffraction.

Every photo opportunity requires its own compromises.

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I liked the article.

Comment about diffraction, though - in essence, when moving from a lower MP to a higher MP sensor, virtually any lens is going to resolve more even when beginning to suffer the effects of diffraction than it did on the lower-resolution sensor.

For example, the 50 1.8 on the 24MP D3x will resolve more detail at f/11 than it does at f/5.6 on the D3. On the D3X at f/13 it matches it's performance on the D3 at f/5.6. On the D800, we should see even slightly more resolution gain.

If we want to extract the peak performance from the D800, we will need to keep diffraction in the front of the mind more than before, which is why I agree with the article, but I think it could be made more clear that our overall results will not look any worse at the same display and print sizes because of diffraction on the 36MP sensor.

That may seem too obvious to emphasize... but it's not. So many people are coming under the impression that their 8x10 or 11x16 prints will look crappy because of 'diffraction', or 'compromised lenses' on the D800 that they are not considering an upgrade - when the fact is that all of their lenses will perform better (well, resolve more) on the D800, at every equivalent aperture.

A common problem I see out there now is a confusion between what you can see at 100% on that sensor, and what you will see at the same or slightly larger display sizes as before. A lot of people are taking cautionary comments made about the former and applying them to the latter, and basing purchase decisions based on that misinterpretation.

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