Shadow pull-up, E-M5

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Shadow pull-up, E-M5
May 13, 2012

While cleaning out old folders, I happened upon this shot I made when I first tested UniWB with the E-M5. I'd forgotten about it, but upon seeing the sequence of which this was a part, I realized it also provided a great test of just how well the new ACR 7.1 could deal with a large shadow pull.

Here is the original along with a PP that involved nearly a 4-stop exposure boost (3.85 EV). All the tonal alterations were done in ACR 7.1, but it did take a trip to CS6 to have NR (via Neat Image) and to be resized.

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It's really good isn't it? I love it... (nt)
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Very good, but.....
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...the feet are killing me.....
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Erik Johansen wrote:

...the feet are killing me.....

Me too.

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Yes. It's hard to believe. But I'm definitely a believer.

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Wow! That's pretty impressive.

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Yes, but...
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This is really amazing. It is also amazing, that the corrected image is time stamped 6 minutes earlier than the uncorrected dark image?

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I see clipping...
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But not shadows or highlights. You need a nail clipping PRONTO!!!

Good pull example, BTW.

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Erik Johansen wrote:

...the feet are killing me.....

Me too.

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a lo of chroma and noise in there. And this is on a very resized own shot.

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This is really amazing. It is also amazing, that the corrected image is time stamped 6 minutes earlier than the uncorrected dark image?

Yes, because, after processing and saving the corrected version, I pulled the .xmp to revert to the original RAW file so I could resize and save it as a jpeg.

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a lo of chroma and noise in there. And this is on a very resized own shot.

Gee, I wonder how that got there.

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Who cares? It's a daft thing to do, but amusing it will do it.
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Dude, trim your toenails...
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;-).

Now I'm looking forward to the E-M5 even more. Except for the toenails.

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Re: Shadow pull-up, E-M5
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good pullup, I had to do that today about a dozen times, when my flash did not fire (not loaded, all manual) and it was only on a s100fs, really small sensor, introducing a lot of noise in the pull up, but resulting in useful pics:

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;-).

Now I'm looking forward to the E-M5 even more. Except for the toenails.

Then I hate to be the one to break this to you, but it doesn't work without the toenails.

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good pullup, I had to do that today about a dozen times, when my flash did not fire (not loaded, all manual) and it was only on a s100fs, really small sensor, introducing a lot of noise in the pull up, but resulting in useful pics:

Not bad at all, but you lost the window details -- not, of course, that they are the most important element of the shot.
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gollywop wrote:

While cleaning out old folders, I happened upon this shot I made when I first tested UniWB with the E-M5. I'd forgotten about it, but upon seeing the sequence of which this was a part, I realized it also provided a great test of just how well the new ACR 7.1 could deal with a large shadow pull.

Here is the original along with a PP that involved nearly a 4-stop exposure boost (3.85 EV). All the tonal alterations were done in ACR 7.1, but it did take a trip to CS6 to have NR (via Neat Image) and to be resized.

Wow ! Nothing to "sneeze at". Do you like NeatImage better than ACR 7.x's Color/Luminance NR ?

I managed to get out with my (camera model shall go un-named, as it now lives in the shame of runner-up status among the cyborgs) yestreday, and was again reminded of how much better I (personally) like (along with UniWB) using B&W preview to frame shots, and simply could not manage to be able to effectively sort through the resulting (B&W) JPGs that I simultaneously record along with the RAWs to determine which of the mutliple shots that I typically take has the best focus-integrity, camera-stability, light-distribution, framing, etc. in order to determine which to RAW process. With my chosen "multiple shots of the same scene" approach, B&W is invaluable ...

Am curious as to whether (on the E-M5) using such a B&W preview/review has any disadvantages (for instance, does it modify the "blinkies", or review/playback RGBL histogram, functionality) ?

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gollywop wrote:

While cleaning out old folders, I happened upon this shot I made when I first tested UniWB with the E-M5. I'd forgotten about it, but upon seeing the sequence of which this was a part, I realized it also provided a great test of just how well the new ACR 7.1 could deal with a large shadow pull.

Here is the original along with a PP that involved nearly a 4-stop exposure boost (3.85 EV). All the tonal alterations were done in ACR 7.1, but it did take a trip to CS6 to have NR (via Neat Image) and to be resized.

Wow ! Nothing to "sneeze at". Do you like NeatImage better than ACR 7.x's Color/Luminance NR ?

Yes. It does a much better job of removing noise, and it does so without killing detail. I've just started using it. I used to use Noise Ninja, which worked quite well. But they have not stayed up with things: they still haven't produced a 64-bit version for the Mac, and as such, it will not run under CS6. I use the ACR NR facility only very lightly for chroma noise at development and save the heavy stuff, when it is needed, for PS.

But, in the silver-lining department, I think Neat Image may actually be better than Noise Ninja. So I'm glad they forced me to look into the issue once again. I got the "Pro" version of Neat Image, by the way, because it works with 16-bit (and 32-bit) color rather than being limited to 8-bit.

Am curious as to whether (on the E-M5) using such a B&W preview/review has any disadvantages (for instance, does it modify the "blinkies", or review/playback RGBL histogram, functionality) ?

It works just fine. All review functionality remains intact; and both the pre- and post-shot blinkies work, properly based on the chosen WB (which, of course, is . . . ).

I will also reiterate that UniWB seems to work particularly well with this Olympus camera. It works wonderfully with my D300, but, for a reason I can't figure out, it does not work too well with my E-510. It's okay, and exposure setting is better with it than without it, but it is not as reliable as with the E-M5 and D300. I don't know if it is in the nature of the metering or the way the jpeg engine produces the histograms and blinkie info.

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gollywop wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

a lo of chroma and noise in there. And this is on a very resized own shot.

Gee, I wonder how that got there.

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Who cares? It's a daft thing to do, but amusing it will do it.

Well but that's the point. I think it does pretty good, don't disagree with that. But I like whole observations to be complete if you will.

As for caring, well, there's this thread about it, and we are replying.

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