Female Black Chinned Hummingbird. (4 imgs)

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Female Black Chinned Hummingbird. (4 imgs)
May 12, 2012

So, I was in my Sittin' Place on the porch just taking it easy while I let the camera take some hummingbird images for me using catch-in-focusing (focus trap).

Pentax K-5 + Pentaz-FA*250-600mm f5.6 at 320mm. EXIF is intact and embedded in the images if anyone is interested.

Female Black Chinned Hummingbird

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It's not easy to get those. Congratulations!

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Sharp!! Thanks for sharing!

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Ron,

You really captured the Hmmingbird really nice... It really shows that the bird is flying.

Perhaps you can make also a moving GIF like the other one? But please not too fast hahahaha...

Sadly we dont have a humming bird flying here where i live.

Thank you for posting.

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Beautiful Ron
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Really nice, it must have been close since you shot at 320.

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Nicely done!

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Some really nice shots you got there Ron!

That combo works very well, if only i could afford that lens
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Hell-of-catch Ron wish I could do that.
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You can do that. It's very easy to do.
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Hell-of-catch Ron wish I could do that.

You have a K-5 don't you?

It is very easy to do. In the Custom Menu set Item #25 (Catch-in-Focus) to equal 2. Use a Pentax lens that has an AF/MF switch on the lens (set it to MF) or use a manual focus lens. I like to use the DA*300/4 the most. Set up so that the feeder is just out of the frame. Set up to do catch-in-focus. Turn the Auto Power Off to Off. Set contiuous shooting to High. Set the camera to AF-S. Pre-focus the lens to the area where the HB's will be coming to land on the feeder. Use a wired remote. Press and lock the wired remote. Sit and wait until you get images. Else, go take a nap while the camera takes pictures for you.

You can use the IR remote (set to IR Remote Continuous Shooting) but you need to take a first image of something in focus (a hand in the prefocused area). Then move the hand from the pre-focused area and the camera will then continue to take images as the HB's enter the pre-focused area.

FWIW: This can also be done with the Sigma 50-500mm APO HSM OS but not with the older model screwdrive Sigma 50-500mm.

Another FWIW: An f4 or F5.6 lens will result in more images and more keepers than an f2.8 lens will.

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Greyser wrote:

It's not easy to get those. Congratulations!

Hi Greyser,

Actualy it is very easy to get images like these. See my reply to Fl_Gulfer.

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Sweet, catch in focus is about the best thing since apple pie by the looks of these.

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In reply to brandrx, May 13, 2012

You know what ? ... I'm jealous

What a beautiful bird ! And pictures !
If only I had a house and such beautiful birds in my backyard
And a rocking chair !

Anyway, I'll have to practice with the Catch-in-Focus ! Amazing results ...
I should read the damn' manual one more time
Regards, fred

PS:
Did you opted like Marc Langille for the GT3541XLS to support your 250-600 ?

PS2:

The video with the feading of hummingbirds - in the link you posted earlier - is really nice too for a commercial I can't see the second link (PBS), probably for licence reasons in my area ... too bad
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=41491202

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In reply to Skip py, May 13, 2012

Skip py wrote:

You know what ? ... I'm jealous

What a beautiful bird ! And pictures !
If only I had a house and such beautiful birds in my backyard
And a rocking chair !

Anyway, I'll have to practice with the Catch-in-Focus ! Amazing results ...
I should read the damn' manual one more time
Regards, fred

The best lens I have found to shoot the hummers, using catch-in-focus, is the DA*300/4 lens.

PS:
Did you opted like Marc Langille for the GT3541XLS to support your 250-600 ?

Yes, Marc talked me into getting that tripod along with the Wimberly Gimbal. I also bought the GT5541LS which will hold more weight (55 lbs versus 35 lbs) but will not expand as high as the GT3541XLS. According to B&H, both of those tripods have been discontinued.

PS2:

The video with the feading of hummingbirds - in the link you posted earlier - is really nice too for a commercial I can't see the second link (PBS), probably for licence reasons in my area ... too bad
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=41491202

Sorry you couldn't view that second video. It is very, very interesting.

Cheers.

Ron

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Well played Ron. Those are fabulous.
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Hi Ron

brandrx wrote:

Skip py wrote:

You know what ? ... I'm jealous

What a beautiful bird ! And pictures !
If only I had a house and such beautiful birds in my backyard
And a rocking chair !

Anyway, I'll have to practice with the Catch-in-Focus ! Amazing results ...
I should read the damn' manual one more time
Regards, fred

The best lens I have found to shoot the hummers, using catch-in-focus, is the DA*300/4 lens.

Better in what way ? It's about the SDM speed ? I don't get it :
the lens doesn't have to move ... o_O

Is it related to the time needed from focus wide open to closure to the desired f/stop ?

I noticed you also warned that it was working with the "Sigma 50-500mm APO HSM OS but not with the older model screwdrive Sigma 50-500mm" ... Why ? Too bad for me : I have the older one

I do not understand also what you wrote to Fl_Gulfer :

"An f4 or F5.6 lens will result in more images and more keepers than an f2.8 lens will." Even, if you close to f/4 or f/5.6 ? I don't get it either
Maybe because the focus is done while the lens is wide open ?

PS:
Did you opted like Marc Langille for the GT3541XLS to support your 250-600 ?

Yes, Marc talked me into getting that tripod along with the Wimberly Gimbal. I also bought the GT5541LS which will hold more weight (55 lbs versus 35 lbs) but will not expand as high as the GT3541XLS. According to B&H, both of those tripods have been discontinued.

Bad news for me I should have bought it when it was still available ... I'll have to search again ... but, I've learned the lesson, when I'll be prepare to buy it

PS2:

The video with the feading of hummingbirds - in the link you posted earlier - is really nice too for a commercial I can't see the second link (PBS), probably for licence reasons in my area ... too bad
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=41491202

Sorry you couldn't view that second video. It is very, very interesting.

Cheers.

Ron

Regards, fred

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Nicely done Ron. I believe we get some black-chinned hummingbirds here (at least according to the guidebooks), but I've yet to see them. Then again, according to the petersons guide, the females look almost identical to the Annas females, so maybe I have seen them without knowing it. I don't know if I've tried these type of shots at 1/320, or at least not with much success. I'm usually shooting at at least 1/800 sec. Less than that and I think there is usually too much movement to get really sharp feather detail in the body area.

Lately I've added some flash (not the popup flash but external, attached to the hotshoe). In the past, I avoided adding any flash at all costs, but I've changed my tune a bit. With the addition of a diffuser (gary fong), I think I've gotten better results in terms of overall detail. I'm guessing it would also work well with a better-beamer attached to an external flash, but I haven't tried that yet. With your lens needing a bit more distance to the subject, I wonder if the better-beamer would be more effective than the diffuser. Either way, it's fun to research.

Here's a recent one using the diffuser on the flash (flash on body). 300mm lens. I think that combo cuts down on the shadows pretty well without blowing out the highlights.

Pete

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Skip py wrote:
Hi Ron

brandrx wrote:

Skip py wrote:

You know what ? ... I'm jealous

What a beautiful bird ! And pictures !
If only I had a house and such beautiful birds in my backyard
And a rocking chair !

Anyway, I'll have to practice with the Catch-in-Focus ! Amazing results ...
I should read the damn' manual one more time
Regards, fred

The best lens I have found to shoot the hummers, using catch-in-focus, is the DA*300/4 lens.

Better in what way ? It's about the SDM speed ? I don't get it :
the lens doesn't have to move ... o_O

Is it related to the time needed from focus wide open to closure to the desired f/stop ?

It is easier to work with. It is a 1:3 macro, therefore you are able to get close enough to fill the frame with an image of an HB. It produces extremely high IQ. It is an f4 lens, which in my opinion captures more images when doing CIF than an f2.8 lens does. Sometimes and f5.6 lens will not fire the shutter.

I noticed you also warned that it was working with the "Sigma 50-500mm APO HSM OS but not with the older model screwdrive Sigma 50-500mm" ... Why ? Too bad for me : I have the older one

The new Sigma 50-500mm APO HSM OS only requires that you put the lens in MF in order to manual focus the lens. The older screwdrive Sigma 50-500mm requires that you put both the lens and the camera in MF in order to manual focus the lens. Now, since AF-S is required to do catch-in-focus you can surely see the problem here?

I do not understand also what you wrote to Fl_Gulfer :

"An f4 or F5.6 lens will result in more images and more keepers than an f2.8 lens will." Even, if you close to f/4 or f/5.6 ? I don't get it either
Maybe because the focus is done while the lens is wide open ?

Exactly right. The lens focuses at wide open. Therefore an f4 lens will capture more images than an f2.8 lens will because of the DOF. An f5.6 lens works best for capturing in good light but sometimes will not fire the shutter if the light is not just right. Therefore the best all-around lens IMO is an f4 lens and the best f4 lens IMO is the DA*300/4 lens.

PS:
Did you opted like Marc Langille for the GT3541XLS to support your 250-600 ?

Yes, Marc talked me into getting that tripod along with the Wimberly Gimbal. I also bought the GT5541LS which will hold more weight (55 lbs versus 35 lbs) but will not expand as high as the GT3541XLS. According to B&H, both of those tripods have been discontinued.

Bad news for me I should have bought it when it was still available ... I'll have to search again ... but, I've learned the lesson, when I'll be prepare to buy it

PS2:

The video with the feading of hummingbirds - in the link you posted earlier - is really nice too for a commercial I can't see the second link (PBS), probably for licence reasons in my area ... too bad
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=41491202

Sorry you couldn't view that second video. It is very, very interesting.

Cheers.

Ron

Regards, fred

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SanMat wrote:

Nicely done Ron. I believe we get some black-chinned hummingbirds here (at least according to the guidebooks), but I've yet to see them. Then again, according to the petersons guide, the females look almost identical to the Annas females, so maybe I have seen them without knowing it.

Hi Pete,

Black-chinned Hummingbird, Adult female

Anna's Hummingbird, Adult female

I don't know if I've tried these type of shots at 1/320, or at least not with much success.

I don't know why you would try them at 1/320s. Did you read my EXIF wrong? The focal length was 320mm. My first three images were shot at 1/2000s and the last one was shot at 1/1250s.

I'm usually shooting at at least 1/800 sec. Less than that and I think there is usually too much movement to get really sharp feather detail in the body area.

Lately I've added some flash (not the popup flash but external, attached to the hotshoe). In the past, I avoided adding any flash at all costs, but I've changed my tune a bit. With the addition of a diffuser (gary fong), I think I've gotten better results in terms of overall detail. I'm guessing it would also work well with a better-beamer attached to an external flash, but I haven't tried that yet. With your lens needing a bit more distance to the subject, I wonder if the better-beamer would be more effective than the diffuser. Either way, it's fun to research.

Here's a recent one using the diffuser on the flash (flash on body). 300mm lens. I think that combo cuts down on the shadows pretty well without blowing out the highlights.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7203/6885971912_bf2095db2f_b.jpg

I've never done well with using a flash in any situation. I really don't like using a falsh. However, that could be that I have never taken the time to learn how.

You've captured a good shot of your Anna's hummer.

Cheers.

Ron

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WOW ... Thanks for the explanations !

Lesson learned for the 50-500 : I admit I didn't try

If I get it right, with decent light, an old A* 200mm macro f/4 would get more sharp shots than a brand new DA* 200mm f/2.8 ?
If so, you made my day ... if only there was beautiful humingbirds around here !

But if I go on, theoretically, I could use the macro lens on tripod to get butterflies in flight ?
Would it be the same despite the distance and size difference ?
Mmm ... I hope I'll have some time soon to find a spot and practice !
I can't leave my K-5 alone, but I think I'll have to relax
... if I want to take some shot like yours !
Thanks a lot Ron, fred

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