Sinking boat with a 60D

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Khlama
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Sinking boat with a 60D
May 9, 2012

60D + 15-85mm lens. Mild HDR with 3 exposures.

Your constructive criticism is welcome. Thanks in advance

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Ahh...That's what's wrong with it...HDR...!
In reply to Khlama, May 9, 2012

...I know you want constructive criticism...but my first response was, How could such a dramatic subject, in such a fine setting, come out so muddy, so muted, so without feeling?

Then I saw the HDR note.

Good camera, fine lens...inherently interesting subject...why did you do this HDR?

If possible, shoot it again tomorrow, find good angles, try to make a clean, crisp, honest rendering of this subject.

There.is.some.value.to.honestly.in.art

Best Wishes, Traveller

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Thorbard
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Re: Ahh...That's what's wrong with it...HDR...!
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Traveller wrote:

...I know you want constructive criticism...but my first response was, How could such a dramatic subject, in such a fine setting, come out so muddy, so muted, so without feeling?

Then I saw the HDR note.

Good camera, fine lens...inherently interesting subject...why did you do this HDR?

If possible, shoot it again tomorrow, find good angles, try to make a clean, crisp, honest rendering of this subject.

There.is.some.value.to.honestly.in.art

Best Wishes, Traveller

I completely agree. While HDR has its place to varying degrees, it is a tool as much as any other, for example an ND filter or a polariser. Useful sometimes, but rarely suitable all the time.

As Traveller said, interesting subject, well composed.

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In reply to Khlama, May 9, 2012

Khlama wrote:

60D + 15-85mm lens. Mild HDR with 3 exposures.

Your constructive criticism is welcome. Thanks in advance

Polariser would have done a great job, like to see the original. Great scene, indeed.

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Re: Ahh...That's what's wrong with it...HDR...!
In reply to Thorbard, May 9, 2012

HDR is certainly a love hate process.... some love to hate it... others hate to love it... and so on. I went through a phase with it.

The wrecked boat has a halo around it. If it is desired... mission accomplished. In my opinion halos in HDR are not good. They are a function of many of the HDR programs when pushed just a bit too far. They can be removed and dealt with.

I've done a lot of bad HDR... it was fun when I was doing it.

Despite the HDR there is still shadow without detail....

I was more interested in finding out how to sink a boat with a 60D.

Richard

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In reply to Khlama, May 9, 2012

Khlama wrote:

60D + 15-85mm lens. Mild HDR with 3 exposures.

Your constructive criticism is welcome. Thanks in advance

OK. For starters I would check the bilge pump(s) and see if they are running.

Next, try to work out why the water is coming in faster than it's going out - maybe a seacock has been left open or a hole in the hull?

Finally, contact a local salvage operator cos it looks like it will need lifting and draining before the boat will float properly again.

Hpoe that helps.

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Re: Ahh...That's what's wrong with it...HDR...!
In reply to Traveller, May 9, 2012

Thank you ... Much appreciated. I knew there was something wrong, hence my post. I couldn't say what was it. Although at first, I didn't find that the HDR was exagerating the scene.

Before getting back there with a Plorized filter maybe, I will re-work the neutral picture and see how it goes.

Cheers

Khalil

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Khlama
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In reply to thanda, May 9, 2012

thanda wrote:

Khlama wrote:

60D + 15-85mm lens. Mild HDR with 3 exposures.

Your constructive criticism is welcome. Thanks in advance

Polariser would have done a great job, like to see the original. Great scene, indeed.

Thank you Thanda, I will re-work the original and maybe take another one with a polariser as well. cheers

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Non HDR version
In reply to Khlama, May 9, 2012

Hi Guys,

Here is the post-processed non HDR version of the first picture without any filter.

I can see that it looks better indeed. Does it? or is it just me?

Thanks

Khalil

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In reply to Khlama, May 9, 2012

Looks much better, though there is still a bit of a halo around the boat itself, which looks a little uncomfortable to my eye. Otherwise, a great example of why HDR isn't always a good idea.

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In reply to Khlama, May 9, 2012

I like the HDR version better
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Re: Non HDR version
In reply to Khlama, May 10, 2012

One thing I like about your non-HDR version is the symmetrical glow around the horizon that extends from the upper left hand edge of the shot. The HDR version seems to have lost that. But then I like the clarity of the boat in the HDR version also.

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In reply to Dinsy, May 10, 2012

Thank you guys for your valuable comments. It is interesting to see that some like the HDR better. I would say if I was a little bit more skilled in Photoshop I would have taken the best of the two... But what's the point? Really. I just wanted to share an interesting scene... Without loosing the details that makes you feel it. That's actually the hard part...

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In reply to Dannyboy292, May 10, 2012

Dannyboy292 wrote:

I like the HDR version better
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Not wishing to start an angry debate, but what is it about the HDR version that you like better?

I'm curious from the point of view of improving my own photographs, not wishing any kind of challenge on the original poster's decisions.

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In reply to Khlama, May 10, 2012

Khlama wrote:

60D + 15-85mm lens. Mild HDR with 3 exposures.

Your constructive criticism is welcome. Thanks in advance

You have used way too much sharpening on the first one...I can see visible oversharpening halos around the boat masts in the distance, even at the small size you posted at.

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That boat "isn't" sinking..
In reply to Khlama, May 10, 2012

It's done sunk...!

Interesting shot on several accounts.

Nice colors.

Mike

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In reply to DaSigmaGuy, May 11, 2012

DaSigmaGuy wrote:

You have used way too much sharpening on the first one...I can see visible oversharpening halos around the boat masts in the distance, even at the small size you posted at.

Thank you ... I see what you mean...

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Re: That boat "isn't" sinking..
In reply to Mike, May 11, 2012

Mike wrote:

It's done sunk...!

Interesting shot on several accounts.

Nice colors.

Mike

Thanks mike... still need some improvements though

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Re: Non HDR version
In reply to Khlama, May 12, 2012

I like the non-HDR version better in general, but I did like the lighter boat and netting that the HDR version had. You might want ot try lightening the bottom right of the non-HDR version.

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