X-Pro1 sample shots updated

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Richard Butler
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X-Pro1 sample shots updated
May 8, 2012

Over the past few hours it has become apparent that I managed to covert the Raw files from the X-Pro1 in the Adobe RGB colorspace.

The files have been re-processed, including sharpening that takes into account the X-Pro1's lack of AA filter.

I'm really embarrassed about my oversight and I apologise for any confusion caused.

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/fujifilmxpro1/8

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That patch of green and purple fabric looks much more normally saturated now.

Nice work!

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In reply to Richard Butler, May 8, 2012

No worries, thx 4 your hard work

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No apology necessary. We appreciate the followup. Thanks.

R Butler wrote:

Over the past few hours it has become apparent that I managed to covert the Raw files from the X-Pro1 in the Adobe RGB colorspace.

The files have been re-processed, including sharpening that takes into account the X-Pro1's lack of AA filter.

I'm really embarrassed about my oversight and I apologise for any confusion caused.

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/fujifilmxpro1/8

Richard - dpreview.com

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In reply to linusto, May 8, 2012

wow, these look great now.. it does look to best the 5dmarkIII at higher ISOs. and great resolution and sharpness. excited about the upcoming raw support!

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In reply to Richard Butler, May 8, 2012

I understand your embarassment - I know I've made workplace mistakes before that have made me blush. We all make them. Thanks for the update.

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In reply to Richard Butler, May 8, 2012

thanks for the update.

not a comment on the process, just the files and the converter themselves -- the files/converter still seems to be favoring noise reduction over detail to a rather large degree as I see the files. And I thought the lack of an AA filter would give greater details for the X-Pro 1. The files are pleasing, but for the bills as an example a lot of the lines are washed out completely compared to other bodies (including the E-M5 if that is added instead).

[Before someone asks if I'm an E-M5 partisan, I'm not. I have both and really enjoy my X-Pro1.]
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Bmat wrote:

the files/converter still seems to be favoring noise reduction over detail to a rather large degree as I see the files. And I thought the lack of an AA filter would give greater details for the X-Pro 1.

I see the same thing, they seem soft.

My GH2 is a bit sharper, noisier, but very similar to the OM-D.

But is is BETA so they probably have some things to work out.

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R Butler wrote:

Over the past few hours it has become apparent that I managed to covert the Raw files from the X-Pro1 in the Adobe RGB colorspace.

Why is the blue color missing in these pasterns on the stamp? What's those yellow patches next to the face?

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Thanks for the update! Though, I'm still curious as to why the files look so "smudgy" compared to raw files from other cameras. In the end, a bit of sharpening can probably remove the feel, but still, it seems like details have been removed by some sort of processing.

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In reply to flaxseedoil1000, May 8, 2012

flaxseedoil1000 wrote:

But is is BETA so they probably have some things to work out.

Bear in mind our workflow is to minimise ACR's sharpening and apply an unsharp mask in Photoshop.

The beta is impressively well optimized (we're not given access until it's been tested, because nobody wants the results to look bad), and very closely resembles the JPEG levels of detail and sharpness when a conversion is done with default settings.

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ET2 wrote:

Why is the blue color missing in these pasterns on the stamp?

Remember you are comparing the 16MP X-Pro1 to a 24MP Sony, a 40MP Pentax and a 16MP Pentax.

The resolution of the BOTH 16MP cameras clearly won't show as much detail as the others. Indeed both the 16MPs are on a par for detail in your screenshot.

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R Butler wrote:

Over the past few hours it has become apparent that I managed to covert the Raw files from the X-Pro1 in the Adobe RGB colorspace.

I love honesty. The world is full of lying, spinning, cheating snake oil salesmen and politicians it is so refreshing when someone just owns up and says 'oops, mistake'. I know it's embarrassing but it does a lot for your credibility.
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Asylum Photo wrote:

Thanks for the update! Though, I'm still curious as to why the files look so "smudgy" compared to raw files from other cameras. In the end, a bit of sharpening can probably remove the feel, but still, it seems like details have been removed by some sort of processing.

Don't forget this is not a 'bayer' layout sensor chip. Data for each pixel is being drawn from a 6x6=36 array to make an 'output pixel' compared with a 2x2=4 for a bayer. It's the old SuperCCD concept again, only on a square grid instead of the 45 deg honeycomb with its 'virtual pixel' stuff.

Instead of using an AA filter they are using a hardware configuration with on-chip/on-camera processing to reduce moire. A different way of doing the same thing but like the SuperCCD pixel-peepers might consider the RAW output to be soft.

Historically people that love the Fujifilm SuperCCD DSLRs will testify that photos are made to be printed or resized for web/PC viewing, not for pixel peeping or test charts.

The beauty is that you can dial in as much sharpening as you like with this system.

That's my guess anyway. Welcome to the strange and wonderful world of Fujifilm.

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I should clarify, I'm definitely happy with the camera output so far. And was hoping to push it further in terms of detail when shooting RAW in the future with ACR (my usual processing methods). But it appears there isn't much difference between RAW files processed through ACR and the out of camera JPEGs. Leaving the advantages to just WB correction and DR recovery.

Not sure if that's just speaking of how good the JPEG files are, or how "bad" (relative term, not actually bad) the raw files from ACR are looking.

Either way, I look forward to seeing more from Adobe on this.

If you go here:

http://www.fujix-forum.com/index.php?/topic/4581-adobe-camera-raw-support-imminent/

You'll see some interesting discussions regarding using RPP and Silkypix for conversions. As well as some samples.

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Asylum Photo wrote:

Thanks for the update! Though, I'm still curious as to why the files look so "smudgy" compared to raw files from other cameras. In the end, a bit of sharpening can probably remove the feel, but still, it seems like details have been removed by some sort of processing.

Don't forget this is not a 'bayer' layout sensor chip. Data for each pixel is being drawn from a 6x6=36 array to make an 'output pixel' compared with a 2x2=4 for a bayer. It's the old SuperCCD concept again, only on a square grid instead of the 45 deg honeycomb with its 'virtual pixel' stuff.

Instead of using an AA filter they are using a hardware configuration with on-chip/on-camera processing to reduce moire. A different way of doing the same thing but like the SuperCCD pixel-peepers might consider the RAW output to be soft.

Historically people that love the Fujifilm SuperCCD DSLRs will testify that photos are made to be printed or resized for web/PC viewing, not for pixel peeping or test charts.

The beauty is that you can dial in as much sharpening as you like with this system.

That's my guess anyway. Welcome to the strange and wonderful world of Fujifilm.

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...free! Can't ask for more than that - thanks Richard.
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Asylum Photo wrote:

I should clarify, I'm definitely happy with the camera output so far. And was hoping to push it further in terms of detail when shooting RAW in the future with ACR (my usual processing methods). But it appears there isn't much difference between RAW files processed through ACR and the out of camera JPEGs. Leaving the advantages to just WB correction and DR recovery.

I guess it is testament to the X-Pro1 that as a non-DSLR its images are being compared to some well respected DSLR brands & models. Keep in mind that some people are making comparisons against higher resolution models too.

Fujifilm has a long reputation for top quality jpegs that are very usable SOOC and have meant some people stopped using RAW. With RAW you have ultimate final control and recovery on a whole range of options.

I'm glad I kept most of my RAW files as I'm revisiting my older work and reprocessing some of them with better understanding. Also future software may pull more out of them whereas with jpeg the options are more limited. That's just a personal choice. Some people prefer to have more free space on their hard drives

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Enjoy RPP conversion:

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man they need to clean behind that watch

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Here Silkypix 4:

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