Is the 12-50 that bad

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Daveinamblerpa
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Is the 12-50 that bad
May 6, 2012

Hi,

I presently own a Nikon D90 with a 1.8 35mm g lens, a 18-200 vr ll lens, and a tokina 12 24 wide angle. I've been pretty happy with this system except for the weight issue. So I ordered a black omd with the 12 to 50 kit lens. I 've heard that this lens is soft particularly at the long end. I like to take landscape shots,urban landscape,night scenes, and street shots when I am traveling. Will I regret getting this lens? Will I notice a difference printing up to 11 by 14? Should I get the primes? I do prefer the zooms and I do like that the 12 to 50 goes down to 12 mm.

One alternative 9-18 mzuiko
20 mm 1.7 panny
45 mm 1.8 zuiko
But this is too expensive to get all at once. My budget is about $1700
Any Ideas?
Thanks,
Dave

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In reply to Daveinamblerpa, May 6, 2012

Daveinamblerpa wrote:

Will I regret getting this lens?

Maybe. But if you didn't get it, you could've regret that, too. You'll know when you try it, and even if you do, you can just sell it and buy something else.

I would probably skip it as it is what, f/6.3 at 50mm? That's one dark piece of glass. Even the 14-42mm kit is f/5.6. But other than the pathetic aperture it's probably fine, but I would still rather take something else, such as 9-18mm or a 12mm prime, or even better, the 7-14mm Panasonic.

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Its not a fantastic lens, but its a pretty good kit lens. Pixel peepers may complain that it isn't super sharp, but its certainly worth having if you want a normal zoom.

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12-50mm + 45mm

That takes care of any slowness/sharpness problems at the long end and still gives you a nice weather sealed zoom range + macro.

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danijel973 wrote:

Daveinamblerpa wrote:

Will I regret getting this lens?

I would probably skip it as it is what, f/6.3 at 50mm? That's one dark piece of glass. Even the 14-42mm kit is f/5.6. But other than the pathetic aperture it's probably fine, but I would still rather take something else, such as 9-18mm or a 12mm prime, or even better, the 7-14mm Panasonic.

5.6 to 6.3 is only 1/3rd of a stop. That's hardly enough to worry about, especially with the E-M5's high ISO capability.

Once I load the photos from my vacation up I'll have more thoughts, but I like the lens. Macro ability is pretty good. I like 12mm on the wide end, weather sealing comes in great. If have any interest in taking videos at all the motorized zoom works great.

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danijel973 wrote:

I would probably skip it as it is what, f/6.3 at 50mm? That's one dark piece of glass. Even the 14-42mm kit is f/5.6. But other than the pathetic aperture it's probably fine,

Actually, at 50mm, the 14-42 has a maximum aperture of .... oh wait, the 14-42 doesn't go to 50. At 42mm, both have the same maximum aperture.

I would certainly prefer if this lens was faster, but as far as kit lenses go, its as fast as any of the other m43 ones with a longer range on both ends and macro built in.

but I would still rather take something else, such as 9-18mm or a 12mm prime, or even better, the 7-14mm Panasonic.

While those are three excellent lenses, they are both used for very different situations, and they are 2-3 times as expensive as getting the 12-50 as part of the kit.

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Daveinamblerpa wrote:

Hi,

I presently own a Nikon D90 with a 1.8 35mm g lens, a 18-200 vr ll lens, and a tokina 12 24 wide angle. I've been pretty happy with this system except for the weight issue. So I ordered a black omd with the 12 to 50 kit lens. I 've heard that this lens is soft particularly at the long end. I like to take landscape shots,urban landscape,night scenes, and street shots when I am traveling. Will I regret getting this lens? Will I notice a difference printing up to 11 by 14? Should I get the primes? I do prefer the zooms and I do like that the 12 to 50 goes down to 12 mm.

One alternative 9-18 mzuiko
20 mm 1.7 panny
45 mm 1.8 zuiko
But this is too expensive to get all at once. My budget is about $1700
Any Ideas?
Thanks,
Dave

I ordered a Black E-M5 with 12-50 kits and should be here on Tue. I dont really care about the sharpness of the long end cause I can either stop it down a little or shoot below 50mm maybe around 40mm. Since I only paid for the lens for $300 (with the kit price) and I wouldn't complain that much but I would not pay the retail price for $499.
My 2 cents.

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Michael Kaufman wrote:

Its not a fantastic lens, but its a pretty good kit lens. Pixel peepers may complain that it isn't super sharp, but its certainly worth having if you want a normal zoom.

I agree with Michael. The 12-50 isn't a fast lens either, but I've gotten very satisfactory night shots with it. I like it as a general-purpose walkaround lens when I don't want to lug several primes or waste time changing lenses.
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I skipped the 12-50 myself, I almost bought it for only one reason - weathersealed.

Alternatively if you were willing to buy used lenses for $1700-1800 you could get:
E-M5
14mm 2.5 panasonic
20mm 1.7 panasonic
45mm 1.8 panasonic

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helimech wrote:

I skipped the 12-50 myself, I almost bought it for only one reason - weathersealed.

Alternatively if you were willing to buy used lenses for $1700-1800 you could get:
E-M5
14mm 2.5 panasonic
20mm 1.7 panasonic
45mm 1.8 panasonic

Using prime lenses is always a good idea but one standard zoom is a must when you dont want to carry or change lenses some times.

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12-50 plus 45: agreed
In reply to cmorse, May 6, 2012

yes, that's a good combo. (I have them as well as the 12mm, 20mm and two FT lenses that focus all right on it - 14-54 II and 40-150 3.5-4.5; also the 7-14 ED for really wide). In my efforts at comparisons between the lenses, the 7-14 seems best and the 45 and 14-54 maybe next, though the 20 is hard to distinguish. However, in most real situations, from what I can tell, the 12-50 is not really far off. I would say that for most purposes you really won't care about the difference. And has been noted, f/6.3 sounds a lot worse than it is. As a general walkaround lens, to me, it's that one or the 20mm. The 14-54 II (or I) is too big for that and its AF is a bit annoying (though effective).
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No, it is definately not bad!
In reply to Daveinamblerpa, May 6, 2012

I got it almost for free in a bundle with OM-D ( yea, I will not call it a kit lens)

12-50 is bang for the bucks.

The macro ability surprises me. The M-zoom is the best in the business. And the extra Fn-button is smart.
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Even the "toy-like" 40-150 surprises me.

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It all depends what you are doing I guess but I can't think of allot of situations that you wouldn't be able to carry all 3 of those primes in a bag with the camera.. they are all relatively tiny.

Willing wrote:

Using prime lenses is always a good idea but one standard zoom is a must when you dont want to carry or change lenses some times.

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Re: 12-50 plus 45: agreed
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6.3 isn't much different than the 5.6 of the other kit lens but compared to the 45 prime 6.3 vs 1.8 is 3 and 2/3 stops ... that's a pretty big difference.

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..... I would say that for most purposes you really won't care about the difference. And has been noted, f/6.3 sounds a lot worse than it is......
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Michael Kaufman wrote:

danijel973 wrote:

I would probably skip it as it is what, f/6.3 at 50mm? That's one dark piece of glass. Even the 14-42mm kit is f/5.6. But other than the pathetic aperture it's probably fine,

Actually, at 50mm, the 14-42 has a maximum aperture of .... oh wait, the 14-42 doesn't go to 50. At 42mm, both have the same maximum aperture.

They do, but at 4/3 the diffraction kicks in early and to have a lens start so deeply in the diffraction territory is simply bad. f/5.6 is already not good. What happened to those times when we laughed at the f/5.6 kit lenses?

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...."they are all relatively tiny".......
In reply to helimech, May 6, 2012

That is true, but they are many

Remember! When you change from on prime to an other.....the moment is gone

Do not believe I hate primes. My X-100 with the 35mm is THE camera. My OM-D with a MF Zuiko 21/2 or 28/2.0 gives me THE best of two worlds......when I have time for it.....and can plan my session.

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It's good and versatile
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It's okay, not great, but good. The lens makes it possible to take my E-M5 out in the rain, snow, dirt etc. My first video also came out surprisingly sharp using this lens - the power zoom is very useful for video work. It also feels nice to have the macro function in a kit lens. A pity Olympus doesn't provide a lens hood for these lenses!

For sharp, high quality pictures I'll use the 45mm 1,8 and 20mm 1,7

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And certainly compared to the 18-200VR it's pretty good.
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The 12-50 has a very useful zoom range and I find the image quality to be pretty good.

I used the Canon 18-200IS on a 12MP 450D and the 12-50 on the E-M5 is certainly at least as good, probably better.

I made the move from Canon to the E-M5 to get a size and weight reduction without image quality reduction and I really succeeded in that.

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Quite good actually
In reply to Paul De Bra, May 6, 2012

It's quite good actually, especially for an outdoor lens.

The image quality isn't as good as a prime lens, but it's not very far off. It also depends on what you'regoing to use your photos for, just viewing or for selling.

No point complaining about the slow end because other zoom kit lens as also quite slow at the tele end.

I like the macro mode. It's very useful.

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