OM-D and audio... Oh my.

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stproducer
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OM-D and audio... Oh my.
May 3, 2012

Having run smack into the OM-D IBIS does not work with 'non native' lens when shooting video issue, I am now struggling to find a workable audio solution.

Step one of course is to buy and attach the EMA-1 hotshoe adapter, because of course the OM-D lacks an audio input.

I'm excited now because I can try out my Rode hotshoe mic... except... oh... the hotshoe is taken.

Option 1:

Stick a small mic in the hole in the adapter... but it's so small.

Option 2:

Plug the Rode mic in! now i'm dangling.

Option 3:

Get an old strip of aluminum, drill it out, and mount the mic on the side.

OK that works... but why oh why, Olympus, couldn't you have either put an audio socket in the camera, or a hotshoe mount on top of the adapter.

The OM-D is an odd duck alright, but I'm starting to like it.

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In reply to stproducer, May 3, 2012

stproducer wrote:

The OM-D is an odd duck alright, but I'm starting to like it.

I like your glass half full approach. I'm going to keep an eye on your posts - you seem to be the type who'll find a solution, whether by hook or by crook.

Hope you're enjoying your odd duck. Looking forward to more solutions threads!

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In reply to stproducer, May 3, 2012

+1

A video plus would have been good. I guess this will come with the E-MP (pro). My guess it will be announced at Photokina. About the same time period as the E-P1 and E-P2.

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Andy Hastings
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In reply to stproducer, May 3, 2012

I brought this same issue up a week or so ago minus your nice photos and actual hands-on solutions. I don't have the camera yet but I anticipated the external mic problem you have.

Just one thing to add to your options (and I'd be glad to hear your thoughts on it as this was suggested both others on the forum)...connecting the EMA-1 adaptor and plugging the external mic like you do with your Rode mic. The twist is that it was suggested that I epoxy a hotshoe bracket on top of the EMA-1 adaptor giving an external mic something to latch on to. What do you think of that option?

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In reply to stproducer, May 3, 2012

Do you have level adjustments with the rode mic, I never bought an external mic before, I had level adjustments on the cameras I have had before. But with the OMD it uses auto gain or something on board which I don't like, can that be bypassed witht the rode mic or does it still affect the audio?
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In reply to BungHole, May 4, 2012

I'm not sure, but according to the DPR's E-M5 review under the video section: "There is also control over the sound recording volume, with three selectable volume levels. There's also a wind-cut function (three levels and off)."

BungHole wrote:

Do you have level adjustments with the rode mic, I never bought an external mic before, I had level adjustments on the cameras I have had before. But with the OMD it uses auto gain or something on board which I don't like, can that be bypassed witht the rode mic or does it still affect the audio?
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In reply to Andy Hastings, May 4, 2012

I had thought of that- and am about to do it- because honestly having the mike off to the side is kids of pointless...

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In reply to BungHole, May 4, 2012

three levels- -10, 0 and +20.

I generally use -10 because it can over modulate wickedly otherwise.

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I share your pain, OP
In reply to stproducer, May 4, 2012

Even if I just haven´t purchased the camera, yet...

But I agree with someone above me that the epoxy+hotshoe bracket seems like a very doable solution with those flat surfaces on top of the Oly adapter. With even some potential to look even pretty, if you really push me.

If I were you, I´d be trying it ASAP. If only the no IBIS with manual lenses for video could be fixed with a bit of epoxy...

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for video, GH2 still wins hands down
In reply to stproducer, May 4, 2012

Thats a lot of trouble to use an external mic; the GH2 seems like a more sensible solution. Not to mention far better video quality, esp. with the hack.

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Re: OM-D and audio... Oh my.
In reply to stproducer, May 4, 2012

Because video is not it's primary purpose? It's secondary? At best?

And, re: hotshoe - because real pro productions would have a boom mic/boom swinger?

If you want to take a lot of amateur video, buy a handicam.

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Re: I share your pain, OP
In reply to andarioa, May 4, 2012

Why not take a flash stand ($.99) on eBay, cut it down and epoxy to the top of the Ema-1?

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In reply to Jogger, May 4, 2012

It's not that much better for video. I've seen enough side by side where it's really hard to tell that much difference.

Throw in the ibis and great colors and it's just fine.

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In reply to stproducer, May 4, 2012

Where did you get that little mic? I love it.

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In reply to stproducer, May 4, 2012

Well you certainly have the hands on skills, I'll look up your posts so see how you...would love some photos and details you might think useful.

I don't usually modify my electronics with self-made attachments, so that's a new area for me (or will be). I wonder if the EMA-1 is even flat on top....or some additional step besides epoxy is necessary to create a flat spot for the flash shoe...

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In reply to stimmer, May 4, 2012

microphone madness... very cheap but surprisingly good stuff.

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In reply to rubydoomsday, May 4, 2012

that's just silly. properly used the OM-D is far better than a handicam.

a boom mic and a sound tech is a great idea however- at about $800 a day. any thoughts on where i'd mount them?

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what about this mic? (also monitoring)
In reply to stproducer, May 4, 2012

In my microphone threat from a week or so ago, it was recommended that I use a

Sennheiser MKE 400 Shotgun Microphone ($199 at Amazon). As far as I can tell from reviews and such it appears to be a quality mic, although maybe pricey.

Honestly I am probably not going to be buying multiple mics and trying them out, I'll buy one and never know if another would have been better. Do you have any thoughts on the Sennheiser mic versus the Rode you've mounted?

Also - side topic but related - having some level control in the OMD EM-5 is nice...but I am correct that we are given no way to monitor the audio, right? I just want make sure I am not missing something....like there is some way to plug head phones into the HDMI port or something crazy like that. Seems that we have to guess at levels and stick with them throughout the video capture.

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Option 4
In reply to stproducer, May 4, 2012

Hot shoe mounted external recorder with built in mics.

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External Audio Recorders were also recommended to me...
In reply to Marc, May 4, 2012

Doesn't it strike everyone as odd that folks that care about the quality of their audio have to do things like this? I mean can you think of another high-tech area where there is so much do-it-yourself cobbled solutions? I've seen internet articles on how to build a little background sound proof box around a voice recording mic...I guess maybe I'm the weird one, but it just FEELS like the human race would have non-do-it-yourself solutions for these issues by now that can be incorporated directly into products which we could buy and work reliably.

My earlier thread also had these hand-held type recorders recommended, though I didn't see anyone with a hotshoe mounted one....!

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