OM-D?

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cympoints
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OM-D?
May 1, 2012

Hi, I have a NEX-5N with a few lenses but is titillated by the OM-D and what seemed to be respectable performance from a small package. I had the GF1 before moving to the NEX and one thing is sure - there are many m43 lenses available, they are small and are at much better price (usually) than comparable APS-C lenses.

Anyone thinking of looking at or moving to the OM-D?

I didn't want to ask this question at the m43 forum because the answers coming may be too predictable Thanks for any opinion.

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Hi,

I'm going to add the OMD this year to my collection. The main tool is my 5N for now. But it will follow the same route most cams did. That is: my kids love my eagerness for gadgets, hehe.

The excellent lenses and fabulous jpeg of the oly's still attract. The 9-18, 45 and 14-150 are almost unbeatable in portability (and IQ up to 400 for that). Had the epl-1 and 9-18 combo, very, very nice set, except for the AF. Oh well, oly has gone from slowest to fastest in AF-S in 2 years.

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In reply to cympoints, May 1, 2012

wouldn't asking the same question here be pretty predictable as well?

I started off with m4/3 as well, using an E-PL1, 14-150mm, 20mm. now I only own NEX. while OMD is quite attractive, from my point of view the NEX-7 still beats it hands down, unless you always shoot in the rain and need weatherproof. NEX-7 pretty much has everything OMD has, but in range-finder style & smaller size.

system-wise, yes m4/3 is much more complete, but then again how many lenses would you actually own? and that 2/3 DOF difference due to sensor size is always there. not to mention the fact that legacy lenses are bound to perform better on larger-sized sensor (forgot why, look up older threads; personal experience with the same manual lens on both system shows it as well)
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In reply to cympoints, May 1, 2012

no - - I will not be switching. I wanted a one camera / one lens kit and for me it is the NEX-7 & Sigma 30mm f/2.8. I looked at the review of the OM-D and used the compare tool at the end of the review to see how it stacked up to the NEX-7. They are very close when it comes to JPEG with a very slight edge going to the NEX-7, which is very impressive for the smaller sensor, but the NEX-7 still scores much higher for RAW output. I almost always shoot RAW so this alone will keep me with the NEX-7.

So now the only question would be lenses - - since I only want one and after seeing this

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/04/nex-7-lens-imatest-resolution-comparison

I seriously doubt I would be able to get a lens for the OM-D that would be any better than the Sigma 30mm f/2.8

Had the OM-D come out before the NEX-7 - - -who knows, I might hav one, but for me My NEX-7 with the Sigma 30 is still king of the hill

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In reply to edwardaneal, May 1, 2012

the OM-D has in-body Image stabilizer.
that is one thing missing from nex

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In reply to kev777zero, May 1, 2012

kev777zero wrote:

NEX-7 pretty much has everything OMD has, but in range-finder style & smaller size.

This is not true. The NEX 7 lacks IS and wider range of native lenses. I am looking forwat to the new weather sealed F/2.8 zooms and 85mm F/1.8 prime that are coming in a few months.
I compared the 2 and found the E-M5 to almost always be a smaller package.

The NEX 7 is still a great camera, focus peaking is great, but I do not like the larger lenses.

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timewaster wrote:

the OM-D has in-body Image stabilizer.
that is one thing missing from nex

...and small lenses. I can carry several in one pocket.

The RAW output form both are very close, but I would say the IS and better lenses puts the OMD on top.

Both are good though. No bad choice here.

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In reply to Just Having Fun, May 1, 2012

as a side note the compare tool at the end of the review of the OM-D also shows the NEX-7 to be much higher rated for video. Personally I couldn't care less about video, but for those who do this might be important

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In reply to Just Having Fun, May 1, 2012

I did enjoy the help of IBIS when I was using Olympus. however functions such as AMB & HHT on NEX really substitute the need of IBIS to a certain degree, and in some situations surpasses it.

and going down to functions I really find the NEX to be a much better photography tool. things like auto-HDR & panoramic mode are much more than just gimmicky art-filters on olympus (perhaps pros don't like them but enthusiasts do). the built-in bounceable flash really makes a difference as well (something I really enjoyed on E-PL1 too)

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kev777zero wrote:

NEX-7 pretty much has everything OMD has, but in range-finder style & smaller size.

This is not true. The NEX 7 lacks IS and wider range of native lenses. I am looking forwat to the new weather sealed F/2.8 zooms and 85mm F/1.8 prime that are coming in a few months.
I compared the 2 and found the E-M5 to almost always be a smaller package.

The NEX 7 is still a great camera, focus peaking is great, but I do not like the larger lenses.

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if you want max resolution the NEX-7 is still king - - these are from the respective reviews here on dpreview:

OM-D

"At first glance the E-M5's JPEGs give the impression of being able to render 2800 lines per picture height. This is essentially impossible and closer examination shows the last point at which it clearly differentiates between the lines is actually nearer 2600 (which is what you'd expect of a sensor of this resolution). Much the same thing is true in Raw - fine sharpening appears to have pulled out a fraction more detail but moiré and false color start to appear shortly afterwards. The main thing that stands out is how well these artefacts are suppressed by the camera's JPEG engine"

NEX-7

"The NEX-7's 24MP pixel count pays off in high levels of detail, accurately resolving up to at least 3400 lines per picture height. Beyond this some demosaicing artefacts and colour moiré start to creep in, and past 3600 lph there's little meaningful detail. As we'd expect from the pixel count, this is pretty well as good as it gets without making the considerable step up to medium format - impressive stuff from such a small camera."

so 2600 lines lph vs 3400 lph - - - that is a rather substantial difference

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Why switch with every new camera?
In reply to cympoints, May 1, 2012

Sorry I don't get this camera switching every time a new camera comes out. I own a Nex5 and am perfectly happy with it. Is the Nex 5n better then my Nex5? Well, maybe a little, but not by much. Is the Nex7 better then my Nex5? Yes maybe some more in some fields (resolution and handling) and as good or a little worse in others (like size and low light) Is the OM-D better then my Nex5? Yes maybe in some ways, but does this make my Nex5 a bad camera, does this makes that my Nex5 is not capable of taking stunning pictures anymore, does one of these "better" cameras make me a better photographer? Will the "Better IQ realy be seen in real life prints? Will one of the cameras do what a real DSLR does?

As long as my Nex5 gives me this kind of pictures, Im not looking to an other camera, unless it will bring much more immage quality, or features with it then any of the newer cameras do at this moment.

My advise is: stop looking at the camera, look at the pictures Stunning pictures can be made with ANY modern large sensor (and i find m43 sensors large compared with the P&S cameras). I challenge every one here to try to tell the camera and lens brand from any real life picture, taken at the same time and place, under the same conditions. I bet you that you can't!

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Sigma 30 tests better than all Olympus on u4/3 cameras?
In reply to edwardaneal, May 1, 2012

Have you checked for reviews of Sigma 30 resolution on micro 4/3 camera, against all the Olympus lens resolutions on the same camera?

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kev777zero wrote:

wouldn't asking the same question here be pretty predictable as well?

Personally, I think it's a version of attention-wh0ring, or at least mostly that. Perhaps once-in-a-blue-moon a tidbit of interesting information comes up that might trigger some re-consideration, and that's the mental rationale people give themselves to justify these sort of posts. "Well, maybe they'll tell me something I missed?"

But really, it's like going off to rival soccer/football team's website and asking, "Hey, I think I want to become a new fan. Should I?"

Entirely predictable results.

People sometimes frown at my flaming. Sometimes I do go overboard. But when you've seen these sort of things over and over in a thousand slightly-different iterations... you recognize them for what they are even before it gets there.

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In reply to RussellInCincinnati, May 1, 2012

how is the resolution of different lenses on the same camera a relevant question?

we are talking about two different cameras with two different sensors - final output resolution is the product of both the lens and the sensor - - assuming a lens that our resolves both sensors the NEX-7 should always produce higher resolution images due to its higher resolution sensor assuming the method of output is capable of delivering the resolution

RussellInCincinnati wrote:

Have you checked for reviews of Sigma 30 resolution on micro 4/3 camera, against all the Olympus lens resolutions on the same camera?

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In reply to cympoints, May 1, 2012

I've shot m4/3 for a while and liked the GH2 and the EP3, had a number of the better lenses as well like the 12mm f2 and 45mm f1.8, 7-14 etc

While the EM-5 did a lot of stuff right, and did have the best IQ I've seen from m4/3 to date, I just hated the handling of the camera. The tiny little scaled down SLR design looks cute, but I found it felt awful in my hand. Everyones hands are different of course, but for me, it was just too small in combination with too many controls and buttons. Some of the buttons I'd have to use my nail on, couldn't even manage to activate them with my fingertip as they were recessed between the LCD edge and the top plate. To each his own though.

Camera does have a very nice IBIS system but really for me, thats not a real issue. I prefer working on a tripod or other support and base ISO and have a number of them. If I am shooting handheld, its usually of people and while 1/8th a second is cool, it leads to motion blur on the subject so I usually try to shoot 1/60th or so, which is fast enough to where IS doesn't really help.

m4/3 does have more lenses as well, however, I don't know if a given kit would be bigger. For example, you could get the 14mm f2.5, 17mm f2.8, or 20mm f.17 but would anyone really want a 28/25/40 kit ? Probably not. I went with the 20mm myself, though did try the 25mm f1.4 which was nice, but I feel 50mm equiv is a little cramped.

Realistically my, and most peoples kits seem to be the 12 20/25 and 45mm. Some add on the 9-18 or 7-14, both those are a bit pricey and slower as well. Still good lenses.

With NEX you could have the 16/24/50 kit and basically have an equallly good walk around setup.

I just got the 50mm 1.8 and its fantastic for the money. Its 75mm equiv instead of 90 but very light, very sharp, its got OS and its $100 less than the Olympus 45mm.

Now sure the 24mm Zeiss is expensive, but its not like m4/3 are always cheap either. The 12mm f2.0 is a $800 lenses after all

m4/3 does have some other long zoom options as well, but they are all variations on slow consumer zooms, and frankly I doubt much different than the 55-210 for similar cost/weight

m4/3 does have some wide angle options the E Mount doesn't have yet.

I'd love to see a 10-24 type E mount zoom. I think that would be a huge seller

Would complete my kit as well with a UWA zoom, 24mm Zeiss, 50mm f1.8 OSS and then maybe a 55-210 for travel.

Perfectly good kit and not really giving anything up to m4/3

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Just Having Fun wrote:
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We remember who this troll is, right?

There was a thread on M4/3 forum started by DPR regarding omd. It reached 150 posts real quick. Funny thing I noted that one of the only poster who constantly mentioned "better than Nex" was this "Just Having Fun" guy. He really seems to suffering from some kind f inferiority complex.

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ET2 wrote:

Just Having Fun wrote:
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We remember who this troll is, right?

In his defense, he's not so much a troll but rather just a zealous proponent. Like a newly-converted/born-again Christian. Very eager to point out the error of his past ways in the actions of others. Except in this case it's his relative dissatisfaction with the NEX. And hanging around here to semi-casually push the superiority of his new "religion."

I'll argue with him, but I would not dismiss/flame him outright... as say somebody like Everdog.

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In reply to Just Having Fun, May 1, 2012

Just Having Fun wrote:

timewaster wrote:

the OM-D has in-body Image stabilizer.
that is one thing missing from nex

...and small lenses. I can carry several in one pocket.

The RAW output form both are very close, but I would say the IS and better lenses puts the OMD on top.

Both are good though. No bad choice here.

Why does IS and more lenses put OMD on top? I could then say image quality puts Nex 7 on top.

But it's a completely pointless arguing which is better, because it is subjective based on your needs and wants.

So saying 'hurr durr OMD is better' makes you look like a 12 year old fan boy. Forums are to discuss, not gear w*nk.

I chose the nex 7. I would have also been happy with the OMD. There are no real differences for me, as I intend to use the kit lens most of the time anyway, which has good stabilization, and I'm more than happy to wait for a wide-angle zoom.

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In reply to kev777zero, May 1, 2012

kev777zero wrote:

...and going down to functions I really find the NEX to be a much better photography tool. things like auto-HDR & panoramic mode are much more than just gimmicky art-filters on olympus...

And the Olympus doesn't do Panoramas or 3D, etc?
Sure it does.

btw, the Sony HDR and Panorama destroy all originals and leave you with a limited size jpeg. If you find a problem you can't re do them

Most people use the free drag and drop software MS ICE. It wupports RAW files, unlimited size and any array of images (multiple rows, etc).

One also must ask, why does Sony put IS in lenses if like you claim it it not needed?

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In reply to cympoints, May 1, 2012

Depends on what you shoot. Because of the wider lens choice, the m43s are more allround I think. You can go from 14-600 mm (on 35mm). NEX can't do that with native lenses. m43 with lenses, if you have more lenses, is also smaller. And I could tell you a lot more we all know.
The 9-18 is cheap BTW an not expensive, lik someone said.

Because of IBIS, Oly can keep the lenses smaller than Panasonic unless these do not have OIS.

NEX7 has 24 MPixels, has outstanding IQ with the right lens (and I believe the native 50mm is such a lens). Read Michael Reichmanns review on the luminous landscape. Here we have a very experienced shooter who raves about the NEX7 for various reasons. He shows us just how good it is. A well thought out cam with outstanding IQ that handles very nicely.

So in short: Oly is more the allrounder, NEX7 is more specialistic.

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