Feeling left out Pentaxians?

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tessl8d
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Re: Feeling left out Pentaxians?
In reply to ayewing, May 2, 2012

@awewing:

Even if it's just a rumour, I love the thought that people are looking forward to something so basic and that it now has the potential of being considered 'new'.
Diversity is a great thing.

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I'm not discouraged, no I'm not discouraged, but I'm getting there !

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Re: Feeling left out Pentaxians?
In reply to JohnBee, May 2, 2012

Both taken at the Earth Day Fair in Topanga Canyon a couple of weeks ago.

Used NEX 5n and the Kit lens 18-55mm.

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In reply to wll, May 2, 2012

wll wrote:

Both taken at the Earth Day Fair in Topanga Canyon a couple of weeks ago.

Used NEX 5n and the Kit lens 18-55mm.

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Re: Feeling left out Pentaxians?
In reply to JohnBee, May 2, 2012

johnbee wrote:

For some of us, this is all very familiar. The sight of other manufacturers bringing forth the goodies while us Pentaxians sit on the sidelines watching. - Anyone care to share their feelings on this?

Sure.
What the heck are you talking about?
And if you are that unhappy, change systems.

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Re: Feeling left out Pentaxians?
In reply to tessl8d, May 2, 2012

tessl8d wrote:

Should Leica owners also be feeling left out?

A Leica owner is immune to any negative feeling at all, just like a Porsche driver.

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Re: Feeling left out Pentaxians?
In reply to awaldram, May 2, 2012

awaldram wrote:

My tools do what I want I'd rather expand my capabilities than replace like for like whilst watching over my shoulder for the next fad.

Ditto.

I'd rather spend $5 on an ebook from Craft & Vision. (I have no relation to them, have learned a lot from those little books).

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Re: Feeling left out Pentaxians?
In reply to JohnBee, May 2, 2012

No, I haven't really seen much that would make me feel that way. The K-5 still sports the best APS-C sensor and I'm not in the lens market right now, so there's nothing anyone else is doing that would make me interested. In fact, the gear I have been acquiring isn't even brand specific, it's lights, backdrops, stands, etc.

So, my camera is top of class and performs like it, so I can think about other things instead. Case in point, I did actually consider the Nikon D800 very briefly and then realized that it didn't really make sense, so I dropped that money on a top of the line iMac and a second 27" display instead. Money far better spent, IMHO.

I think Pentax is now faced with a bit of a problem: it's going to be hard, very hard, to make a compelling upgrade to the K-5. It's a good problem to have, but it's still a problem...

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Re: Feeling left out Pentaxians?
In reply to spqr_ca, May 2, 2012

spqr_ca wrote:

I think Pentax is now faced with a bit of a problem: it's going to be hard, very hard, to make a compelling upgrade to the K-5. It's a good problem to have, but it's still a problem...

I beg to differ. Many improvements are possible. Even without thinking, from top of my head in a spit second,

(1) AF could be improved (and number of cross points)
(2) Continuous shooting can be improved.
(3) Video needs to be improved
(4) Improvements to jpeg engine (especially how reds are handled).

(4) There are many other features (wifi, network connectivity to upload photos directly online, tethering, two card slots, electronic first shutter curtain, focus peaking, incamera panoramas and multi-shot NR modes)

I am sure this list can be made 10 times bigger by others

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In reply to Myari, May 2, 2012

One idea that I've thought, yet I've never heard this idea anywhere else. Building WiFi technology into the camera that allows it to be functional from a smart phone using a custom app to control the camera. Maybe take pictures, then some video, maybe a time lapse, and review them wirelessly from the smart phone? I know that the WiFi could go a lot further than the infared controler and the playback on a smart phone is a lot sharper than a 3" LCD.

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In reply to Myari, May 2, 2012

Myari wrote:

I am sure this list can be made 10 times bigger by others

Yes, likely by people who haven't taken any pictures... Nothing you listed was compelling. Sure, they would be improvements, but compelling enough to push someone to upgrade from a K-5? Not so sure.

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Re: Feeling left out Pentaxians?
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spqr_ca wrote:

Myari wrote:

I am sure this list can be made 10 times bigger by others

Yes, likely by people who haven't taken any pictures... Nothing you listed was compelling. Sure, they would be improvements, but compelling enough to push someone to upgrade from a K-5? Not so sure.

Agreed for the first time since going digital the limiting factor in my photography is me.

I new camera wont fix that

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In reply to awaldram, May 2, 2012

Spot on... I always enjoy your posts...

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Re: Feeling left out Pentaxians?
In reply to spqr_ca, May 2, 2012

spqr_ca wrote:

Myari wrote:

I am sure this list can be made 10 times bigger by others

Yes, likely by people who haven't taken any pictures... Nothing you listed was compelling. Sure, they would be improvements, but compelling enough to push someone to upgrade from a K-5? Not so sure.

yea ide have to agree. those r conveniences but definately not enough to spend $1500 on u know. the k5 is so good its hard to make it better without a large hardware upgrade like FF. video is the only real change that could be justified but that is not a huge concern for photo purists.

if it was, people would just keep their k5, and buy a gh2 for half the price of the next pentax.
hey maybe the next pentax will have 16 stops of DR??

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MaxIso wrote:

hey maybe the next pentax will have 16 stops of DR??

Why would that be a compelling reason to "upgrade" then? The best LCDs have DR of around 9 stops. Print films have dynamic range of 7 stops.

CMOS sensors already have more dynamic range that can be displayed on LCD/Prints

If you properly expose photos, a camera with 11 stops of dynamic range will work just as well as 20 stop DR camera. The final display/presentation (i.e LCD screen, print, etc) is limited to 9 stops.

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In reply to ET2, May 2, 2012

The desire for more and more features, is a double edged sword! It makes the user interface expand in complication, increases the costs of develpment and manufacturing, each new feature can introduce new problems within the system.

I'd rather they just inproved the basic functions and spent more money on quality control across the board. And instead of increasing costs, cut the costs of the camera bodies so more people can afford them. This will benefit the Pentax community more than over burdened cameras, no we need more reliable hardware, cheaper to buy with proven interface design, allowing some hooks into the system so perhaps so 3rd parties can develope things like tethering, wireless monitoring for the articulated screen and vidoe folks and such like..

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Re: Feeling left out Pentaxians?
In reply to ET2, May 2, 2012

ET2 wrote:

MaxIso wrote:

hey maybe the next pentax will have 16 stops of DR??

Why would that be a compelling reason to "upgrade" then? The best LCDs have DR of around 9 stops. Print films have dynamic range of 7 stops.

CMOS sensors already have more dynamic range that can be displayed on LCD/Prints

If you properly expose photos, a camera with 11 stops of dynamic range will work just as well as 20 stop DR camera. The final display/presentation (i.e LCD screen, print, etc) is limited to 9 stops.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/5DIII-D800/index_controlled-tests.html

12 stop DR camera vs 14 stop DR camera . Can you see the difference on your LCD screen ?.

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Re: Feeling left out Pentaxians?
In reply to JohnBee, May 2, 2012

Well I do like my k-r but I don't feel 100% satisfied with it. Am still looking to see what Pentax will offer us next (if they are planning on offering any new cameras).

My k-r actually seems a step back compared to my old DS2 in regards to build quality (some of the buttons and knobs have been giving me trouble). I also feel the images feel a bit more "digital" compared to my DS2 if that makes any sense at all. Maybe that is just in my head.

So I am still waiting to see what is coming next....

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peje wrote:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/5DIII-D800/index_controlled-tests.html

12 stop DR camera vs 14 stop DR camera . Can you see the difference on your LCD screen ?.

nice

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In reply to awaldram, May 2, 2012

awaldram wrote:

Agreed for the first time since going digital the limiting factor in my photography is me.

I new camera wont fix that

Not everyone is shooting landscapes and other static objects in good light. Some are taking pictures of moving objects like children (so good AF is a must) and por light (so flash is important). For people needing this often K-5 is the limiting factor.

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