Is there a better dx format to replace the D300 right now?

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Dennis2958
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Is there a better dx format to replace the D300 right now?
Apr 29, 2012

I am really getting antsy to replace my D300. I have the D800 and really want to bump the quality up in my dx format camera. Love my D300 but it's time to move on. Is there anything in the Nikon lineup now that would satisfy me or should I keep waiting? It seems like Nikon is trying to push us to the FF format with the D600 rumors?

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In reply to Dennis2958, Apr 29, 2012

Dennis2958 wrote:

I am really getting antsy to replace my D300. I have the D800 and really want to bump the quality up in my dx format camera. Love my D300 but it's time to move on. Is there anything in the Nikon lineup now that would satisfy me or should I keep waiting? It seems like Nikon is trying to push us to the FF format with the D600 rumors?

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No, there isn't a better DX camera in Nikon's line up, unless you compromise on a few things that your D300 has but the better dx sensor cameras don't, such as

  • 51 point focus system (D7000 has 39 only)

  • Buffersize

  • fps

  • dual card slot

  • manual controls

  • professional weather sealing (D7000 has some but does not take it as far)

A D300(s) succesor is overdue but no-one really knows when/whether Nikon will come out with it.

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All of the above is true, but the D7000 is no slouch and has considerably better high iso IQ (noise and dynamic range). I gave up my D300 to buy one, and I do miss the ergonomics of the D300. But when I process my photos I am happy I picked up the D7000.
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hflavo wrote:

All of the above is true, but the D7000 is no slouch and has considerably better high iso IQ (noise and dynamic range). I gave up my D300 to buy one, and I do miss the ergonomics of the D300. But when I process my photos I am happy I picked up the D7000.

However, the OP says he has a D800 also. The D300 ergonomics are very similar to the D8000. The D7000 ergonomics will be a step down.

But then again, maybe he uses the two cameras in completely different environments.

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What specifically do you find deficient about the 300?

The only place I find it deficient is in shooting over 1600 ISO.

Dennis2958 wrote:

I am really getting antsy to replace my D300. I have the D800 and really want to bump the quality up in my dx format camera. Love my D300 but it's time to move on. Is there anything in the Nikon lineup now that would satisfy me or should I keep waiting? It seems like Nikon is trying to push us to the FF format with the D600 rumors?

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With the 39 mp's in the d800, you can crop to the dx size and still have around 15mp's, so why do you need two cameras? You can also just shoot the d800 in dx mode. I didn't like the d7000 for my use with long telephotos on low contrast and low light type days. The autofocus was not up to my d3s standard.

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larrywilson wrote:

... so why do you need two cameras?

I am deliberately jumping in: I often use two cameras when shooting concerts. One with the 17-55 and one with the 70-200.

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Chuck Yadmark wrote:

What specifically do you find deficient about the 300?

The only place I find it deficient is in shooting over 1600 ISO.

And shooting below 200 ISO

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larrywilson wrote:

You can also just shoot the d800 in dx mode. >

I have tought of this but I really have use for the crop factor with the lenses. It is my understanding that my 70-200mm will remain just that in the DX mode on my D800. Now on my D300 it becomes a 105-300 2.8.

Please correct me if I am incorrect in my thinking.

BTW.. Teleconverters are out of the question. I have had them over the years and couldn't live with what I had to give up using them (f stop & glass quality).

My fear is that if Nikon comes with a FF D600 and half the cost of the D800 there will be no price point range to fit a D300 successor.

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The D300 sucks over ISO 800.
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The D7000 has a seriously deficient buffer for action series like wildlife, it's almost not usable. If the D800 buffer can equal the D300's (I don't know if it can) then why not use this in DX mode?

I'm waiting for the D400, praying that it's just a D300 with 16 mp DX sensor with pumped up high ISO capability, faster FPS, even bigger buffer, and of course good video. Add those things for a reasonable price and I'm sold. Seriously, what more do you need? What else could Nikon add that wouldn't cut into D4 and D800 sales?

I have no use for a D800, why do I need that many pixels?
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Dennis:

larrywilson wrote:

You can also just shoot the d800 in dx mode. >

I have tought of this but I really have use for the crop factor with the lenses. It is my understanding that my 70-200mm will remain just that in the DX mode on my D800. Now on my D300 it becomes a 105-300 2.8.

No, the 70-200 becomes 105-300 once cropped, whether the cropping is achieved through a smaller APS-C sensor or by using part of a larger FF sensor.

Please correct me if I am incorrect in my thinking.

Indeed see above

My fear is that if Nikon comes with a FF D600 and half the cost of the D800 there will be no price point range to fit a D300 successor.

Nikon may come up with a full body DX camera as a successor of the D300. We just don't know.

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Your choices are simple:

1. Wait for the DX D400 (that's what I'm doing)
2. Use your D800 in DX mode and accept some compromises

3. Get a D7000 for better high ISO performance than the D300 and accept some compromises

With the D800, you accept a major compromise in the viewfinder in DX mode (since you only have a central portion of the viewfinder) with a lot less magnification than a true DX viewfinder and you accept a slower fps.

With the D7000, you get a lesser AF system, lesser build, lesser fps, but you get improved resolution and high ISO performance.

Since I don't want to accept those compromises, I'm waiting to upgrade my D300 to a DX D400 when it comes out that should (just a guess) be a no compromise upgrade to the D300/D300s. It should be at least as good a high ISO as the D7000 (probably one generation improved) and should otherwise meet or exceed the D300 specs for AF, fps, build, etc...

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Dennis2958 wrote:

I am really getting antsy to replace my D300. I have the D800 and really want to bump the quality up in my dx format camera. Love my D300 but it's time to move on. Is there anything in the Nikon lineup now that would satisfy me or should I keep waiting? It seems like Nikon is trying to push us to the FF format with the D600 rumors?

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If you have a D800 then you've already bumped up the quality in your DX format.
It's basically the best "DX" camera out right now.

The D7000 is newer than your D300, but it's due to be replaced this fall, and not really an upgrade in the areas that make a prosumer camera what it is.

Since you seem to be willing to wait, then wait for the D400 and see what it offers.
The D400 specs were being rumored before this alleged D600.
Hopefully it's in the works.

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TFergus wrote:

If you have a D800 then you've already bumped up the quality in your DX format.
It's basically the best "DX" camera out right now.

I chuckle at statements like this that are not couched in a whole bunch of explanations. It's only the best DX camera out there if you want a tiny viewfinder, you only want 4fps and you're happy paying almost double the D300s with 7-8fps and a full DX viewfinder. The D800 in DX mode would not be better than my D300 for the action sports I shoot. I'll be waiting for a real upgrade.

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Dennis2958 wrote:

I am really getting antsy to replace my D300. I have the D800 and really want to bump the quality up in my dx format camera. Love my D300 but it's time to move on. Is there anything in the Nikon lineup now that would satisfy me or should I keep waiting? It seems like Nikon is trying to push us to the FF format with the D600 rumors?

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Define what means "better" for you.

For me, currently there is no better Nikon DX than the D300s. It is good enough until a real better one comes along.

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jfriend00 wrote:

TFergus wrote:

If you have a D800 then you've already bumped up the quality in your DX format.
It's basically the best "DX" camera out right now.

I chuckle at statements like this that are not couched in a whole bunch of explanations. It's only the best DX camera out there if you want a tiny viewfinder, you only want 4fps and you're happy paying almost double the D300s with 7-8fps and a full DX viewfinder. The D800 in DX mode would not be better than my D300 for the action sports I shoot. I'll be waiting for a real upgrade.

No camera is the best at everything. So your camera beats the D800 on sports.

Now see who wins at resolution, detail, dynamic range, features, build, etc., etc. etc.

I wasn't insulting your camera, but it is dated, way overdue for replacement, and isn't a D800 in DX mode.

I was simply stating he has no reason to jump into a dated camera like a D7K or something, when he has the D800 in his hands and can wait a few months for something newer and better.

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+1
No use for the D800 either.

stromaroma wrote:

The D7000 has a seriously deficient buffer for action series like wildlife, it's almost not usable. If the D800 buffer can equal the D300's (I don't know if it can) then why not use this in DX mode?

I'm waiting for the D400, praying that it's just a D300 with 16 mp DX sensor with pumped up high ISO capability, faster FPS, even bigger buffer, and of course good video. Add those things for a reasonable price and I'm sold. Seriously, what more do you need? What else could Nikon add that wouldn't cut into D4 and D800 sales?

I have no use for a D800, why do I need that many pixels?

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Correctly stated and just the facts. There are 3 choices. I personally am waiting for a no-compromise DX upgrade to D300 (choice 1).

jfriend00 wrote:

Your choices are simple:

1. Wait for the DX D400 (that's what I'm doing)
2. Use your D800 in DX mode and accept some compromises

3. Get a D7000 for better high ISO performance than the D300 and accept some compromises

With the D800, you accept a major compromise in the viewfinder in DX mode (since you only have a central portion of the viewfinder) with a lot less magnification than a true DX viewfinder and you accept a slower fps.

With the D7000, you get a lesser AF system, lesser build, lesser fps, but you get improved resolution and high ISO performance.

Since I don't want to accept those compromises, I'm waiting to upgrade my D300 to a DX D400 when it comes out that should (just a guess) be a no compromise upgrade to the D300/D300s. It should be at least as good a high ISO as the D7000 (probably one generation improved) and should otherwise meet or exceed the D300 specs for AF, fps, build, etc...

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Now see who wins at.......

i did not know this was a competition event......

TFergus wrote:

jfriend00 wrote:

TFergus wrote:

If you have a D800 then you've already bumped up the quality in your DX format.
It's basically the best "DX" camera out right now.

I chuckle at statements like this that are not couched in a whole bunch of explanations. It's only the best DX camera out there if you want a tiny viewfinder, you only want 4fps and you're happy paying almost double the D300s with 7-8fps and a full DX viewfinder. The D800 in DX mode would not be better than my D300 for the action sports I shoot. I'll be waiting for a real upgrade.

No camera is the best at everything. So your camera beats the D800 on sports.

Now see who wins at resolution, detail, dynamic range, features, build, etc., etc. etc.

I wasn't insulting your camera, but it is dated, way overdue for replacement, and isn't a D800 in DX mode.

I was simply stating he has no reason to jump into a dated camera like a D7K or something, when he has the D800 in his hands and can wait a few months for something newer and better.

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