D800 vs D800e... Can YOU see the difference?

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stany buyle
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D800 vs D800e... Can YOU see the difference?
Apr 27, 2012

Nikon D800 vs Nikon D800e... From the moment I knew about their existence I was very curious how much difference in resolution and native sharpness there really is between both cams and rather than to rely on possibly wrong information on the internet I wanted to test myself...

Received my D800 on March 22nd and my D800e the day before yesterday.

Yesterday I was doing some extensive testing...

I started a topic "D800 vs D800e, can YOU see the difference?" on my website with 4 100% crops out of each camera to compare:

http://www.nikonuser.info/fotoforum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1624&sid=a83139bcddb70a312da556870a733d06

Can YOU see the difference?

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Re: D800 vs D800e... Can YOU see the difference?
In reply to stany buyle, Apr 27, 2012

Ok Ill have a tray!

Crop 1: left d800e
Crop 2: left d800
Crop 3: Top d800e

I don't have the "normal" d800 but in my pictures taken around my city with the E version, I have detected moire in a lot of pictures. Not a big issue but still present like with the MF digital Backs.

I noticed a big difference between the AF and the AF in live view, the second in most cases is much more precise.

Also great difference between lens; given the same scene the pictures taken with my 24 1,4 in some cases show moire, the pictures taken with my 24-70 do not.
But the pictures with the 24 1,4 are a lot better!

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In reply to stany buyle, Apr 27, 2012

a slight difference. Left is 'E'.

I studied several raw files that had been provided by diverse people on the net. I did see moire and aliasing artifacts. Color moire was easily removable in LR4, but other aliasing artifacts aren't. For me the minor improvement of the 'E' wasn't worth the artifacts even if they are rare.

I believe, especially now that i have a D800, that glass is more limiting the the AA filter.

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In reply to stany buyle, Apr 27, 2012

Yes but I would not be able to tell without being able to compare them.
The D800 seems to have a very weak anti aliasing filter.
Crop 3 looked like it should have been in the other set.

Photos on the left D800

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In reply to lorenzo, Apr 27, 2012

I agree, with Lorenzo. The crop 2 seems the hardest to spot!

Out of interest what % does to you think on average is the D800E is sharper against the D800. 5% more or less

Doesn't seem a lot to me

lorenzo wrote:

Ok Ill have a tray!

Crop 1: left d800e
Crop 2: left d800
Crop 3: Top d800e

Lorenzo

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PS please forgive me for any bad English or spelling
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In reply to stany buyle, Apr 27, 2012

Crops 1 & 3 clearly look sharper.

when are you going to tell us?

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Michael Firstlight wrote:

when are you going to tell us?

Not yet...
Result on Monday.

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In reply to stany buyle, Apr 27, 2012

The D800E is:

If I don't get this right, I am sticking to my D800 which is still on a waiting list.

If I am correct, I'm switching to the D800E since I can clearly see the difference

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In reply to odedia, Apr 27, 2012

Woops, meant to say, the D800E is on the left.

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AJG wrote:

Out of interest what % does to you think on average is the D800E is sharper against the D800. 5% more or less

Less than 5% I've been reexamining the photo's I centered the crops in the middle of the monitor & now I think the left watch crop is the D800E

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In reply to stany buyle, Apr 27, 2012

D800E on the left.

It's so subtle here that I'm a little surprised.

What's your opinion on the two from real world usage including PP?

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800E on left.

If I am right, I will get a 800E

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Ditto that

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In reply to MattiusGB, Apr 27, 2012

MattiusGB wrote:

What's your opinion on the two from real world usage including PP?

While shooting standard picture mode and doing PP in Nikon software (-which keeps the picture mode settings, also in RAW, NEF files-), D800E files do not need extra sharpening for my taste.

Both D800 and D800E files look way sharper straight out of the cam than my D3/D700 files did, while using the same lenses.
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In reply to odedia, Apr 27, 2012

Yeah D800E on the left.

I agree its not a huge difference but I personally feel the overall impression of 800E images when there are no artfacts is that they pop more and have a sharpness and clarity that Photoshop sharpening methods dont create.

But again I agree its not a massive difference. I have seen larger differences on cameras modified with their AA filter removed.

Another point with moire is that my photographic philosophy is to take many photos of a scene not just one. I find photography is to some degree a bulk proposition. Only a few out of a shoot deserve keeping. So if moire occurs occassionally it is no more a problem than underexposing, off focus, poor framing, etc etc.

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Astrophotographer 10 wrote:

Another point with moire is that my photographic philosophy is to take many photos of a scene not just one. I find photography is to some degree a bulk proposition. Only a few out of a shoot deserve keeping. So if moire occurs occassionally it is no more a problem than underexposing, off focus, poor framing, etc etc.

Greg.

All my testing for moiré with D800E gave no moiré until now..

http://www.nikonuser.info/fotoforum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1624&sid=0ce5b667eaab334fa7643e7df2cab9f6#p4511

Still searching further for moire...

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In reply to stany buyle, Apr 27, 2012

I'll nail my trousers to the mast and say that the images on the left hand column are from the D800e.
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I like the colours. Your camera takes good pictures.

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In reply to stany buyle, Apr 27, 2012

If the E is not the left samples then I would say something is amiss in the test. My impression with nearly all samples I have viewed the E appears slightly brighter in exposure and thinking it is due to more contrast. There is no guessing which is sharper here yet the last sample was a little more difficult to see than others.

So the E will require less to no sharpening basically. Out of curiosity I would like to see some slight sharpening to the non-E and up the contrast a tad to compare. Most other samples have over sharpened in their non E.

Happy to see more users and samples.

Thanks for the test.

John R

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In reply to stany buyle, Apr 27, 2012

This samples do not contain enough detail which the E could resolve. Apart from that the camera software slightly blurs the images to reduce moire (color channel blur).

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Added some 100% crops from both cams at iso 6400...
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http://www.nikonuser.info/fotoforum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1624&sid=19efa7366774be94e58f84114e86451b

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