Txs God I didn't buy a NIKON!

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In reply to Sam_Oslo, Apr 30, 2012

Hope it helps.
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In reply to aaanouel, Apr 30, 2012

Some time ago I realized that it doesn't matter what gear I carry. It's understanding light, and getting images that I'm happy with. When I was putting food on the table selling images things were even more critical.

So there are only 2 people that care about the gear I use. Myself. And the person that sold it to me; they stopped caring when the door closed as I left.

I've changed systems years and years ago. It took me a whole lot of time to retrain myself. manual focus and manual controls. Everything worked exactly the opposite on the new gear than it had on the old stuff.

I did a lot of street photography. I lost a lot of images because I turned the controls the wrong way.

Today? I would look at Canon. Sony. Nikon. Panasonic? That's for dslr's and stuff.

I've shot with Nikon (F2 first, F3 later and....on, and on) since the F2 was first announced about '73 or so.

Biggest changes for me--image stabilization. ISO's that get higher and higher.

Currently shooting with a Nikon d300s; sold a d80 I didn't like. Have a Sony NEX5 system. Have a Panasonic P&S.

Like you, I hate it when I make a bad choice. (Read D80 here; wish I had bought a Sony dslr.)

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In reply to Sam_Oslo, Apr 30, 2012

There is many body+glass with a little better IQ, for sure, but those prices are so high compared to IQ-gain, that it's relay hard to justify it unless you are making good money on your shots. Nothing can beat IQ/Price of HX100/200v, yet.

Right Sam!, I'm sure camera makers are going to offer big Mp medium sized sensor cameras at affordable prices very soon. NEX-7 is overpriced, indeed, and Nikon d3200 P&S camera for home keepers is a sign of what's coming on very soon.

After all, the man behind the camera is much more important tan the camera!

True, a little imagination does wonders and one can surpass many dSRL IQ just with an HX100V and little PP.

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I just replaced my HX100V with a Nikon Coolpix P510.

My reason for getting rid of the HX100V was Sony's useless GPS implementation (which never tagged my travel photos, since it turns completely off when the camera is shut off).

But apart from the better GPS implementation, I was surprised to find that the P510 preserved better detail when viewed closer to pixel level -- the Sony images look over-processed when compared to the P510.

You can see a comparison of moonshots taken with both cameras at full zoom here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1007&message=41138581&changemode=1

The Sony menu navigation seems a little more intuitive than the Nikon's. Overall, the two cameras are close, but the P510 is a bit better in some respects, including longer zoom (which is surprisingly usable), better GPS implementation and less heavy-handed processing.

aaanouel wrote:
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Thanks God I purchased a Sony HX100V, not a Nikon.

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In reply to Macist, Apr 30, 2012

Very interesting tests,
the important thing is that you're satisfied, good.

I'm not married with anyone, only to facts.

I watched the P500 moon shots and it seems to be somehow better than I previously read and thought; it puts some new little weights on my mental balance between them (HX100V vs P500).

Anyway I'm looking for the next to P&S segment cameras with bigger sensors.

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Just to make sure: I was testing the P510, not the P500.

The P510 just came out (the one with the 42x lens).

As I said, overall you'd be hard pressed to tell much of a difference between the Sony and the Nikon at normal viewing sizes. They are both great superzoom cameras and I would have kept the Sony, if it wasn't for the GPS.

And I am still fond of Sony -- just got the Sony TX200V as my pocketable and snorkeling companion to the P510.

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How you finding it

Macist wrote:

Just to make sure: I was testing the P510, not the P500.

The P510 just came out (the one with the 42x lens).

As I said, overall you'd be hard pressed to tell much of a difference between the Sony and the Nikon at normal viewing sizes. They are both great superzoom cameras and I would have kept the Sony, if it wasn't for the GPS.

And I am still fond of Sony -- just got the Sony TX200V as my pocketable and snorkeling companion to the P510.

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Hehe, don't know yet Amazon says that the Sony TX200V arrives on Wednesday and I'll post to the TX200 thread when I play with it for a bit. I will not be able to test it in water until sometimes next week, when I'll take a quick trip to a place with warm salt water

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Good on yeh

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Hehe, don't know yet Amazon says that the Sony TX200V arrives on Wednesday and I'll post to the TX200 thread when I play with it for a bit. I will not be able to test it in water until sometimes next week, when I'll take a quick trip to a place with warm salt water

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Larger sensors
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I see you going down the same path as I did I chose a camera with a larger sensor. I find I don't carry it much. Regret not buying a smaller body for my Nikon lenses. I have a dslr already. It would have been cheaper.

Advantages?
NEX5 performs better at higher ISO.
Easy to carry with kit zoom lens.

Disadvantages
2 systems to buy
I'm challenged getting images I like of moving subjects

I really liked my Sony 828
I hoped the NEX would be ax modernized 828.
Wonder how I would feel if I bought the 18-200 Sony zoom?

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D Lynch wrote:

I see you going down the same path as I did I chose a camera with a larger sensor. I find I don't carry it much. Regret not buying a smaller body for my Nikon lenses. I have a dslr already. It would have been cheaper.

Advantages?
NEX5 performs better at higher ISO.
Easy to carry with kit zoom lens.

Disadvantages
2 systems to buy
I'm challenged getting images I like of moving subjects

I really liked my Sony 828
I hoped the NEX would be ax modernized 828.
Wonder how I would feel if I bought the 18-200 Sony zoom?

Poor ?

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Poor? and that's why I didn't....

however, I understand that the Sony 18-200 is a very sharp lens. Certainly you don't have to change the lens to have a range that I now enjoy.

Choosing:
Pany ZS10
Sony NEX5 system
Nikon dslr system

I don't find myself reaching for the Sony. I wish it had an optical view finder, or good EVF.
Kids in motion and birds in flight are hard for me to capture with the Sony.

Good thing we have choices.

My wife looked at my NEX5 and said, let's sell our Nikon gear. I said, sell yours; keeping mine.

(Great images. Sometimes images that I can't capture with my Nikon.)

I posted because I think that the OP is following the same path I have been on. I chuckled at myself buying slightly larger sensors. 1-G9/2-G11's/LX5 I have read lots; dismissed Mr. Rockwell's advice to get the smallest dslr body for improved image quality.

Dismissed the Nikon interchangeable lens camera (mirrorless) as frivolous when it first came out.

Suggest reading Thom Hogan's sites for info and constructive chriticism of Nikon stuff, and mirrorless camera systems.

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Great and interesting comment, many thanks DLynch
I'll take it in account when finally making up my mind.

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http://www.sansmirror.com/

His Nikon advice has helped me a lot.

His sans mirror site has helped me understand choices of interchangeable lens, mirrorless cameras.

His other site is http://www.bythom.com He takes no guff. I like that, and value his advice. He was an apprentice of Galen Rowell. RIP

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Ken rockwell is also a good un

D Lynch wrote:

http://www.sansmirror.com/

His Nikon advice has helped me a lot.

His sans mirror site has helped me understand choices of interchangeable lens, mirrorless cameras.

His other site is http://www.bythom.com He takes no guff. I like that, and value his advice. He was an apprentice of Galen Rowell. RIP

http://mountainlight.com/

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Thanks for the links D Lynch
specially for sansmirror.com/
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D Lynch wrote:

Suggest reading Thom Hogan's sites for info and constructive chriticism of Nikon stuff, and mirrorless camera systems.

for many years nobody is taking Thom to serious,

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Thom Hogan's ebooks have helped me use a d80 and d300s better. years ago, I put food on the table (commercial and industrial--portraits, weddings, sports) for years. Had a profitable business with a diverse customer base.

But that was film days.

I need all the help I can get with digital equipment. Every opinion helps. And we can all choose the ones we like I read Ken Rockwell too!

For me, it is about understanding light, and producing good images.

Favourite film camera? Leica M3.
Favourite digital camera? Sony F828. For years.
Have a NEX5 system now, and a d300s with some Nikon stuff.

Who do you like for photos and information?

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i ment Ken Rockwell ..........not Thom Hogan my bad.
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Marti, no problem.

Years ago I set out to make my living skiing. Took a look around. 135 pro instructors. 7 full time. I was part time. It's really hard to make a living as a ski pro. Worked part time, 6 days a week all winter long, for 35 years. Hada ball! Taught over 5,000 people how to ski Some are highest level ski pros now. Some racers are so much better than I am, I can't keep them in sight.

It's hard to make a living as a photographer. Hat's off to those who make it!

There aren't many adults who are passionate about what they do. Suspect that Thom and KenR are, and I respect that.

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