Lighthouse from last weekend

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Carl Ibbet
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Re: Lighthouse from last weekend
In reply to herbymel, Apr 26, 2012

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Very nice image...but I do think the sea is a little too green..and it looks like you've got some sort of processing artifacts in the clouds just above the sea on the left side of the shot.
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Thanks Herby - I appreciate your comments, I'll take a look at the sky a bit more closely.
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Thanks Hossny and inthemist
In reply to InTheMist, Apr 26, 2012

I'll take another look at the sky - thanks for the feedback, that may have been when i added extra blacks or if I reduced the soft contrast too much in silver efex.
all the best and thanks again for taking the time to give your feedback!
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Re: Lighthouse from last weekend
In reply to Carl Ibbet, Apr 26, 2012

Great shot, very dramatic and moody.

Like others have mentioned, the lighthouse does feel a bit cramped towards the top edge of the photo, but otherwise excellent!

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In reply to jkjond, Apr 26, 2012

jkjond wrote:

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This is a shot of Corbiere Lighthouse, Jersey, Channel Isles.
Shot with a d90 and Tamron lens 18-270mm. f16 - no tripod due to the wind!
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Nice spot. Thought I recognised it.

Your exif doesn't tell us much - the interesting parts are the actual focal length, shutter speed and iso. Though non of it is really that relevant other than pondering the hand holding ability.

Plus point - nice low angle, gives a feeling of contact and being there rather than a distant observer.

Lively conditions.

Not so plus points - I'll ignore the totally pointless and awful selective colour as commenting on that is fruitless.

I'll hazard a guess you were not impressed with my choice to use selective colour on this one then...

Composition is very tight - I find it way too tight to the top, partly due to the closeness of the lighthouse, but mainly due to the fact we can't see the tops of the cloud formations - and that's an all important detail for this type of cloud.

The clouds look a bit flat and lifeless in your conversion.

But I'd also be tempted for a little more foreground detail. The water splashing up is the all important detail for me - I'd have taken several shots on location trying to time the 'perfect' splash.

Thanks for this feedback - all valid points and I'm really grateful of your comments.

I took a few shots while down there and wondered what you thought of these conversions/compositions below? ((i.e they have some extra sky and bit more 'splash', but i still need to find out how to add a little more punch to the clouds in PP if poss:

Best regards,
Carl

p.s - really nice site! I loved your 'moody' gallery and when i get some time - I'll check out your blog. I was in Kendall for Christmas with some friends that recently relocated there from Jersey.

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In reply to Carl Ibbet, Apr 26, 2012

Lets just say the selective colour didn't quite make it into my top 10.

Well anyone who liked your first shot should be blown away by these, or at least the first one. Great explosive feel, your timing looks spot on. If only the framing were that bit wider so that the base and left side were more in frame - the crop is taking too much away.

Processing - very difficult one. The current mood is good - the feeling of a bright windy day comes across very well. Do anything drastic and you risk losing that. If the shot were full of crashing wave, then you could be as bold as you like, but here the context of the lighthouse is way too important. Getting a bit of local contrast into the wave would be easy on a duplicate layer in photoshop, then subtly masked in - or an adjustment layer though I don't like using those. Too much contrast and it will be out of step with the rest of the image.

Your processing appears a bit crude, there seem to be areas of overlap in contrast regions. That's OK while keeping things subtle, but go for higher contrast and steps will start to jump out. If you are using layers and masks, then use larger softer brushes to create masks and build them up gradually.

The second one is obviously nowhere near as dramatic. But what is does show is the benefit of holding the full cloud in shot. The picture feels so much more complete than your earlier post.

Thanks for the comments on my site. I can't remember if I have any Jersey pics on there, though there will be some on my blog site. I spent a few weeks on the island last year, though most of the time I was hard at work so didn't manage to do much photography. I really like the Lido at St Helier and ended up there rather a lot or just taking night shots on my walk back across the square in front of the Royal Yacht to my hotel (rather nice at the Pomme D'or this time!) - though I wish I'd had chance to see more of the island. I had a morning shoot out at Corbier, but it was also a very windy day yet I insisted on trying a 6 min exposure. Totally useless.

Some of my Jersey pics on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/leechypics/sets/72157625572646033/
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In reply to Carl Ibbet, Apr 26, 2012

... in seeing some slightly different versions/shots from around then, with different PP on them:

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jkjond wrote:

Lets just say the selective colour didn't quite make it into my top 10.

Well anyone who liked your first shot should be blown away by these, or at least the first one. Great explosive feel, your timing looks spot on. If only the framing were that bit wider so that the base and left side were more in frame - the crop is taking too much away.

I know what you mean, but to be honest, that way took me by surprise and had me stepping back soon after i clicked, so I was not surprised I had not framed as well as i would have liked..

Processing - very difficult one. The current mood is good - the feeling of a bright windy day comes across very well. Do anything drastic and you risk losing that. If the shot were full of crashing wave, then you could be as bold as you like, but here the context of the lighthouse is way too important. Getting a bit of local contrast into the wave would be easy on a duplicate layer in photoshop, then subtly masked in - or an adjustment layer though I don't like using those. Too much contrast and it will be out of step with the rest of the image.

interesting thoughts...

Your processing appears a bit crude, there seem to be areas of overlap in contrast regions. That's OK while keeping things subtle, but go for higher contrast and steps will start to jump out. If you are using layers and masks, then use larger softer brushes to create masks and build them up gradually.

I'm an aperture man at the moment and use the sliders to gauge levels of application, rather than being able to use masks in photoshop, but i take your point and have often thought i need to slow down a little and not experiment quite so much/drastically so the effect is more subtle.

The second one is obviously nowhere near as dramatic. But what is does show is the benefit of holding the full cloud in shot. The picture feels so much more complete than your earlier post.

Thanks for the comments on my site. I can't remember if I have any Jersey pics on there, though there will be some on my blog site. I spent a few weeks on the island last year, though most of the time I was hard at work so didn't manage to do much photography. I really like the Lido at St Helier and ended up there rather a lot or just taking night shots on my walk back across the square in front of the Royal Yacht to my hotel (rather nice at the Pomme D'or this time!) - though I wish I'd had chance to see more of the island. I had a morning shoot out at Corbier, but it was also a very windy day yet I insisted on trying a 6 min exposure. Totally useless.

Some of my Jersey pics on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/leechypics/sets/72157625572646033/
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I checked out your flickr gallery and loved some of your compositions. You have a great eye! I also clearly have a lot to learn in terms of PP looking at your shots! If you are interested, I have a gallery called beautiful Jersey that you may like to check out at some point, you will see some of the places that you may not have seen in person, but must make an effort to come back and see at some point. The other interesting thing about this gallery is i think it demonstrates my progress a little since i took up photography 5 years ago roughly, the first shots being in 2007 and the last ones; the ones you just looked at from last weekend. I still have a long way to go, but I'm really enjoying the shooting.

http://carlcam5.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Beautiful-Jersey/3850006_76Zhc8# !i=222811644&k=tjrzB

take care and thanks again for the considered feedback.
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if you don't mind...
In reply to Carl Ibbet, Apr 26, 2012

This is more what I had in mind:

But like you said - it all depends on personal taste.

What I find interesting is that normally I would prefer the foreground rocks to be out of focus so that they don't distract me away from the view. But when they are in focus like this I have an impression as if I'm standing right there on these rocks and feeling their wet surface and the air!

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In reply to lemon_juice, Apr 26, 2012

Do i mind - no i'm flattered you spent the time on this - thanks for showing me what you meant...

lemon_juice wrote:

This is more what I had in mind:

But like you said - it all depends on personal taste.

What I find interesting is that normally I would prefer the foreground rocks to be out of focus so that they don't distract me away from the view. But when they are in focus like this I have an impression as if I'm standing right there on these rocks and feeling their wet surface and the air!

Believe me -I felt their wet surface (my feet were soaked through) and the moisture in the air - I had to keep cleaning the lens I was getting worried for the camera too, with all the spray flying around.

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Thanks Michal - I really like your version too and will try that going forward!
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In reply to Carl Ibbet, Apr 27, 2012

This might sound crazy, but looking at this version I see the clouds and water moving to the right while I stare at it. It's like a really slow animated gif.

To me, these photos are some of my favorite I've seen posted up here in browsing for a few months and the edit is great.

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In reply to Carl Ibbet, Apr 27, 2012

Hope you don't mind a few critical comments on smugmug.

You're getting out to the right places at the right time - just a few tweaks to your compositions and some graft on processing will bring out some great shots. By far the best on there is that wonderful green rockpool/shallows which needs a simple crop.

Composition - what people don't realise is the importance of the frame edges and the corners. Get these right and pretty much any arrangement will work in the centre, no magic formulas or rules required - everyone gets so wound up in the subject they forget the importance of the supporting act.
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In reply to Carl Ibbet, Apr 27, 2012

Great shot. Like others have said, I'm not so fond of the selective colour.

Matt

P.S. I've tried subtle pseudo-HDR processing on stuff like this and have some have liked it, have you tried anything like that?

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whatyagonnado wrote:

Great shot. Like others have said, I'm not so fond of the selective colour.

Matt

P.S. I've tried subtle pseudo-HDR processing on stuff like this and have some have liked it, have you tried anything like that?

Hi Matt,

thanks for the feedback and I'll have to try and give the HDR processing a try as well,
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jkjond wrote:

Hope you don't mind a few critical comments on smugmug.

Au contraire - I am very grateful for your comments and will have a good long look at what you have fed back.
thanks again and i hope you enjoyed seeing some of Jersey
Carl

You're getting out to the right places at the right time - just a few tweaks to your compositions and some graft on processing will bring out some great shots. By far the best on there is that wonderful green rockpool/shallows which needs a simple crop.

Composition - what people don't realise is the importance of the frame edges and the corners. Get these right and pretty much any arrangement will work in the centre, no magic formulas or rules required - everyone gets so wound up in the subject they forget the importance of the supporting act.
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In reply to Carl Ibbet, Apr 28, 2012

While these are fine, as I said before, everything works for me in the original pic. I would not want you to feel you must move away from your creative point of view because of some negative feedback. Selective color is obviously not everyone's thing and it is not necessarily my thing, but, in this case, I believe you really nailed the potential of this technique. I would like to see more of your work along these lines in the future.
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Meaning of speed listing
In reply to Carl Ibbet, Apr 28, 2012

I am new to this forum. My question: why is the speed often listed as, e.q. 10/100, rather than .1. Or is it the shutter speed?

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"It was a dark and stormy night..." Great atmosphere. (The all B/W version.)
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5add5181 wrote:

I am new to this forum. My question: why is the speed often listed as, e.q. 10/100, rather than .1. Or is it the shutter speed?

Its all to do with the way the camera records the shutter speed information. Humans would obviously round that one to 1/10th sec. It gets more tedious to understand when it says 3523456/464345763 (not that it ever does, but obscure fractions do arise).

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