Is this good enough from E-M5 and Pana 25mm?

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Is this good enough from E-M5 and Pana 25mm?
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Re: Is this good enough from E-M5 and Pana 25mm?
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Hi

I think the second one is in sharper focus. Perhaps you could have done better with the composition. A camera is there to help you capture what you are seeing, or want to see.

The OMD seems like a very capable camera. I would love one.

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how about this portrait with the 45mm
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Photo Person, any chance of full size images, they dont look as good as I would of expected that combo to do? what do you think?

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Now this one is stunning. I especially like the flowers growing out of her shoulder. Thanks for sharing.

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handheld ooc
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No way to tell from small posted images.
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Your images cannot be viewed by us in full size. Small images unfortunately say very little in terms of image quality. (They could be used to show colors and framing, but not sharpness or noise.)

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I think you are being compromised by the DoF.

If you want to take a stylish photo, by all means zap it wide open (but then decide what you want sharp - who's the subject here exactly?). If you want to judge the camera, stop it down so you actually have some things in focus!
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The 25mm and the 45mm are not at their sharpest at f1.8. They are sharp enough for candids. Those two lenses are probably at their best at f4.

That was indirect indoor light, with reflections and distracting hot spots. Hanheld while using the LCD.

I am not a photographer, I think they could be sharper but they should be good enough for quick casual pictures.

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photo perzon wrote:

The 25mm and the 45mm are not at their sharpest at f1.8. They are sharp enough for candids. Those two lenses are probably at their best at f4.

That was indirect indoor light, with reflections and distracting hot spots. Hanheld while using the LCD.

I am not a photographer, I think they could be sharper but they should be good enough for quick casual pictures.

I agree with some of the earlier posters' comments that it's very hard to tell from the small photo sizes whether your kit is performing as it should. I also agree with their comments about your composition skills. You might find that you get better results if you think carefully about the subject of your photograph and what aspect of the subject you want to capture. This applies especially to the cat + woman photos. It's hard to tell what you were trying to achieve with those shots. The head-and-shoulders portrait is let down by the background, among other things. I think if you moved closer you would have gotten a better shot.

It's true that the 45 is not at its sharpest at f1.8, but it's still pretty damn sharp. I certainly can't complain about the sharpness of the eyes in this pic, which I shot at f1.8 in a darkened hall:

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NZ Scott wrote:

It's true that the 45 is not at its sharpest at f1.8, but it's still pretty damn sharp. I certainly can't complain about the sharpness of the eyes in this pic, which I shot at f1.8 in a darkened hall:

Lovely shot. And you're so right - the 45 is very sharp even at f1.8.

The difficulty is in getting the right thing in focus when the DOF is so narrow!

Michael

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photo perzon wrote:

The 25mm and the 45mm are not at their sharpest at f1.8. They are sharp enough for candids. Those two lenses are probably at their best at f4.

That's absolutely not true. I routinely use both wide open and they really shine. Don't give up on them !

The real problem is that you are relying too much on the equipment, which although expensive does not fill in the gaps of lacking vision, technique, PP skills, etc.

First things first, you need to compose your shot, decide what is your real subject, and use the proper settings on the camera. Are you using a Portrait scene mode ? If do get outta there, fast ! I'd bet the cam has Portrait selected for color mode as well, hence the yellow, pasty and totally unfaithful skintones on the lady, and heavy cast on the overall picture.

I'd start in Auto WB, aperture mode, either wide open or stopped down just one notch if it makes you feel better. Also get in 3:2 mode and use a simple rule of third for composition. Get those mid tones brighter, your shots are under exposed and mushy. Better get a few clipped highlights in unimportant areas of the pictures, but have a well exposed subject. Then try a little post processing to fine tune the results. L

I checked your galllery and the one good shot I think deserves attention is the same lady laughing and feeding a horse (or donkey, whatever...).
I'd crop and tweak this one a bit.

You really need to stop collecting expensive cameras and think about using them well, also try to look at a lot of pictures, find a style you like and try to emulate it to motivate you to progress.

Hope this helps, Marla.

That was indirect indoor light, with reflections and distracting hot spots. Hanheld while using the LCD.

I am not a photographer, I think they could be sharper but they should be good enough for quick casual pictures.

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photo perzon wrote:

The 25mm and the 45mm are not at their sharpest at f1.8. They are sharp enough for candids. Those two lenses are probably at their best at f4.

That was indirect indoor light, with reflections and distracting hot spots. Hanheld while using the LCD.

I am not a photographer, I think they could be sharper but they should be good enough for quick casual pictures.

If you are not a photographer you may want to sell your camera and do something else?

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Now this one is stunning. I especially like the flowers growing out of her shoulder. Thanks for sharing.

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One more thing about the 45mm. It's a portrait lens. You shouldn't fear getting close to your subject. There it looks like you walked back... maybe up to 5 metres... in order to frame nearly half of her body. If it's what you wanted to do then you should have used the 25mm.

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The 25mm and the 45mm are not at their sharpest at f1.8. They are sharp enough for candids. Those two lenses are probably at their best at f4.

That was indirect indoor light, with reflections and distracting hot spots. Hanheld while using the LCD.

I am not a photographer, I think they could be sharper but they should be good enough for quick casual pictures.

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Your child photo is beautiful.

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NZ Scott wrote:

It's true that the 45 is not at its sharpest at f1.8, but it's still pretty damn sharp. I certainly can't complain about the sharpness of the eyes in this pic, which I shot at f1.8 in a darkened hall:

Lovely shot. And you're so right - the 45 is very sharp even at f1.8.

The difficulty is in getting the right thing in focus when the DOF is so narrow!

Michael

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In all honestly, these pictures (and the aquarium shots, and most of the shots in your gallery) look worse that what I would expect to see out of an average 5-year-old medium range point and shoot digicam on full auto mode.

You're doing yourself a disservice. If you want to take snapshots, buy a snapshot camera. If you insist on buying an expensive camera (or 20 expensive cameras) to take snapshots with, but you refuse to take the time to learn how to use it, leave it on full auto mode at all times - it's practically guaranteed to deliver better results than your clueless guesses.

Now, if you're interested in learning about photography, put your nice cameras and lenses in a safe. Buy yourself an entry level DSLR kit and start shooting in manual mode only for at least a year. Read, research, take lots of pictures (not just of your wife or seaworld), develop your skills, technical understanding and eye for composition. Then maybe, just maybe, after a year, you'll have earned the right to push the shutter button on one of your more expensive cameras.

Good luck. If you decide photography isn't for you, and you need a hobby, I suggest selling your expensive collection of cameras, donating the proceeds to the charity of your choice, then signing up to volunteer for them - help someone out with your free time and extra cash, rather than blowing both and making yourself look like a nouveau riche maroon with more dollars than sense or class.

Your photography is uninspired, underwhelming and technically in the dumps. It seems you've taken hundreds of portraits of your wife with a variety of expensive cameras and lenses over the years, and I see no sign of improvement over that time, so I, personally, think you should start looking for another hobby.

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Well said Marla!
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This is probably the most helpful response to one of his threads I've ever read. Kudos to you being so constructive. You are a credit to theses forums!

Marla2008 wrote:

photo perzon wrote:

The 25mm and the 45mm are not at their sharpest at f1.8. They are sharp enough for candids. Those two lenses are probably at their best at f4.

That's absolutely not true. I routinely use both wide open and they really shine. Don't give up on them !

The real problem is that you are relying too much on the equipment, which although expensive does not fill in the gaps of lacking vision, technique, PP skills, etc.

First things first, you need to compose your shot, decide what is your real subject, and use the proper settings on the camera. Are you using a Portrait scene mode ? If do get outta there, fast ! I'd bet the cam has Portrait selected for color mode as well, hence the yellow, pasty and totally unfaithful skintones on the lady, and heavy cast on the overall picture.

I'd start in Auto WB, aperture mode, either wide open or stopped down just one notch if it makes you feel better. Also get in 3:2 mode and use a simple rule of third for composition. Get those mid tones brighter, your shots are under exposed and mushy. Better get a few clipped highlights in unimportant areas of the pictures, but have a well exposed subject. Then try a little post processing to fine tune the results. L

I checked your galllery and the one good shot I think deserves attention is the same lady laughing and feeding a horse (or donkey, whatever...).
I'd crop and tweak this one a bit.

You really need to stop collecting expensive cameras and think about using them well, also try to look at a lot of pictures, find a style you like and try to emulate it to motivate you to progress.

Hope this helps, Marla.

That was indirect indoor light, with reflections and distracting hot spots. Hanheld while using the LCD.

I am not a photographer, I think they could be sharper but they should be good enough for quick casual pictures.

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It does not matter what any of these people say.... if you enjoy what you do, then do it.... it IS OK to take snapshots for memory preservation.... some people even doubt that photography is art.... after all, the camera does most of the work....

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