DigitalREV slams the E-M5

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msusic
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DigitalREV slams the E-M5
Apr 22, 2012

Latest YouTube video comparing it to Nex7 and Xpro1 is out.
Basically, they used 12-50 against primes at low light.

Kai concluded it is just a Pen in new dress and that Fuji is so amazing except when it comes to autofocus. :/

Previous video could be excused, but if they're officially calling our a comparison and doing it this way makes you wonder.....
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In reply to msusic, Apr 22, 2012

that must have been a painful (or maybe fun) video for him to make, he hates all of those brands.

msusic wrote:

Latest YouTube video comparing it to Nex7 and Xpro1 is out.
Basically, they used 12-50 against primes at low light.

Kai concluded it is just a Pen in new dress and that Fuji is so amazing except when it comes to autofocus. :/

Previous video could be excused, but if they're officially calling our a comparison and doing it this way makes you wonder.....
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Sensor size issue
In reply to msusic, Apr 22, 2012

Video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRyQU6XCQt0

One thing that there always seems to be hanging over the (m)43rds is the dismissal with the sensor size.

No matter how good the lenses are or how vast it's lineup is compared to other cameras on the market, or the speed and accuracy of autofocus, cameras are constantly downplayed for their slightly smaller sensors like they've got the plague.

It's like saying "Oh, I'm sorry you couldn't get yourself a proper APS-C camera..."

This is even more ridiculous in the case of E-M5 which has got sensor on par with best APS and even better than some other current APS cameras.

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msusic wrote:

Latest YouTube video comparing it to Nex7 and Xpro1 is out.
Basically, they used 12-50 against primes at low light.

Kai concluded it is just a Pen in new dress and that Fuji is so amazing except when it comes to autofocus. :/

Previous video could be excused, but if they're officially calling our a comparison and doing it this way makes you wonder.....

Gee, do you think you'll ever recover?

How about posting the link?

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In reply to msusic, Apr 22, 2012

finaly someone shows a comparision in real low light conditions of moving subjects.( i shoot dance schools,) and the fuji nailed detail and image quality, the problem you would only get one photo in focus ? from a full dance on stage. bugger ! 3200 is as high as i would go, shame no comparrision.

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msusic wrote:

One thing that there always seems to be hanging over the (m)43rds is the dismissal with the sensor size.

No matter how good the lenses are or how vast it's lineup is compared to other cameras on the market, or the speed and accuracy of autofocus, cammeras are constantly downplayed for their slightly smaller sensors like they've got the plague.

It's like saying "Oh, I'm sorry you couldn't get yourself a proper APS-C camera..."

It's not just sensor size, but M4/3 camera size in general.

Don't you realize that we M4/3 users will never quite "measure up" to those macho dudes who carry their D3's and E1's with a wrist strap?

Yes, I've have observed such creatures in the wild.

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In reply to msusic, Apr 22, 2012

Where is the problem?

The AF was fast (and probably accurate although they did not mention) even with the kit lens.

They compared ISO 6400 images (no idea how they were processed) and to me the E-M5 did not look bad when compared with the NEX7. The Fuji is another beast and whoever expected E-M5 low lig t capabilities to be on par cannot be helped.

Kai obviously is not intested to learn more abot the E-M5 (VF, IBIS, handling of AF ;)) and draws a ridiculous conclusion.

So what, the only consequence to me is that i still like watching their videos because very often they are funny but Kai now has even less credibility than he had before.

Don't watch digitalrev videos if you expect to see and hear praise of mFt cameras.
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msusic wrote:

This is even more ridiculous in the case of E-M5 which has got sensor on par with best APS and even better than some other current APS cameras.

I'm just as much a fan of m43s as anyone, but I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. Granted, the above DigitalRev wasn't the most serious review, but have you ever used seen the high ISO files from a Fuji X100, or did you watch the "noise test" of the above video? The Fuji files (X-Pro1, X100) are remarkably clean at high ISO.

The 16 mp LiveMOS sensor does very well at fairly high ISO, but it's not anywhere near what you get with the Fuji or K-5. Sorry to say.

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No, it's not on par with best APS-C.
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msusic wrote:

Video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRyQU6XCQt0

One thing that there always seems to be hanging over the (m)43rds is the dismissal with the sensor size.

No matter how good the lenses are or how vast it's lineup is compared to other cameras on the market, or the speed and accuracy of autofocus, cameras are constantly downplayed for their slightly smaller sensors like they've got the plague.

It's like saying "Oh, I'm sorry you couldn't get yourself a proper APS-C camera..."

This is even more ridiculous in the case of E-M5 which has got sensor on par with best APS

No, it's not.

and even better than some other current APS cameras.

The real problem is the inferiority complex. 4/3rds sensor size wise has a a compromise. Traditionally the compromise overall in general terms is not huge. When the E-5 came out and used the old technology, Sony comes out with an advance that Nikon/Pentax/Sony use making a big difference.

The em5 from what I have been examining looks to put the gap at least in DR more or less how it has been in relation to APS-C traditionally.

Everything equal, APS C will have its advantages here. The question is for those electing 4/3rds, if the system is already at "good enough for them." This shouldn't mean that it is universally good enough for everyone like many espouse - that kind of black and white thinking often related to fanboyism.

If people simply accept the system for what it is, acknowledging that you are paying one compromise in the sensor, but you get the lenses designed for digital from the ground up, you get smaller lenses/cameras (one reason why I think 4/3rds tanked- it forgot about this unique selling proposition of size but now we see micro four thirds), I think it's fine.

And people wouldn't be really all that bothered.

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it seemed very fair
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i don't understand why anyone would think otherwise.
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Seemed like less of a real review and more like a few high school kids trying to pick a gadget they thought was cool after having a couple beers. The tests they used were rediculous being that the OMD had the slow kit lense compared to using a prime lens on the other two. The xpro1 does have beautiful files, but it is $700 more and looks like a big brick.
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Correct. Not bothered.
In reply to Raist3d, Apr 22, 2012

I'll watch the video later, but agree with Ricardo above... m4/3rds should be seen as a killer system, with the sweet spot of performance to size and capabilities.

Reviewers who describe the 4/3rds sensor format as inferior to APS or even FF would do their readers a service by qualifying their opinion.

This is of no concern to those of us who've done our due diligence and chosen m4/3rds.

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Brian Mosley wrote:

I'll watch the video later, but agree with Ricardo above... m4/3rds should be seen as a killer system, with the sweet spot of performance to size and capabilities.

Reviewers who describe the 4/3rds sensor format as inferior to APS or even FF would do their readers a service by qualifying their opinion.

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Kai does image comparisons so it's validated, he doesn't knock the camera he just gives his views over 3 similar models, unfortunately the sensitive souls in this forum have got their pantys in a twist because he doesn't say it's the best, not even a storm in a teacup
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Jogger wrote:

that must have been a painful (or maybe fun) video for him to make, he hates all of those brands.

Yes, he likes Nikon and Leica, not a bad taste

msusic wrote:

Latest YouTube video comparing it to Nex7 and Xpro1 is out.
Basically, they used 12-50 against primes at low light.

Kai concluded it is just a Pen in new dress and that Fuji is so amazing except when it comes to autofocus. :/

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Yes sometimes Kai does some good comparisons, but the videos are almost always funny

Donald B wrote:

finaly someone shows a comparision in real low light conditions of moving subjects.( i shoot dance schools,) and the fuji nailed detail and image quality, the problem you would only get one photo in focus ? from a full dance on stage. bugger ! 3200 is as high as i would go, shame no comparrision.

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In reply to msusic, Apr 22, 2012

The more DigitalRev videos I see the fewer I want to watch.

Everything is "whatever you call it" - it's very dismissive / unprofessional / can't really be bothered. The schtick is tired. Everything is a bother.

Either learn to love what you do or Stick a fork in it, it's done.

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The problem is that DigitalRev videos are very popular, and can manipulate those less well informed

Anyway I enjoy to see some videos from DR

acahaya wrote:

Where is the problem?

The AF was fast (and probably accurate although they did not mention) even with the kit lens.

They compared ISO 6400 images (no idea how they were processed) and to me the E-M5 did not look bad when compared with the NEX7. The Fuji is another beast and whoever expected E-M5 low lig t capabilities to be on par cannot be helped.

Kai obviously is not intested to learn more abot the E-M5 (VF, IBIS, handling of AF ;)) and draws a ridiculous conclusion.

So what, the only consequence to me is that i still like watching their videos because very often they are funny but Kai now has even less credibility than he had before.

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Is like for like parity at the same photosite size and I'm happy to see Olympus and Panasonic working to plug the gap that has existed since Sony got their act together.

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marike6 wrote:

msusic wrote:

This is even more ridiculous in the case of E-M5 which has got sensor on par with best APS and even better than some other current APS cameras.

I'm just as much a fan of m43s as anyone, but I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. Granted, the above DigitalRev wasn't the most serious review, but have you ever used seen the high ISO files from a Fuji X100, or did you watch the "noise test" of the above video? The Fuji files (X-Pro1, X100) are remarkably clean at high ISO.

I have no interest in ISO higher than 1200. Maybe in future I'll use in some very rare situations ISO 2000. that is it.
I do not buy in high ISO races.

Ergonomics, handling, EVF (I prefer EVF to OVF) and overall convenience are more important to me than " high ISO performance"

The 16 mp LiveMOS sensor does very well at fairly high ISO, but it's not anywhere near what you get with the Fuji or K-5. Sorry to say.

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