Pentax fa* 28-70

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jonny1976
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Pentax fa* 28-70
Apr 16, 2012

Is 600 euro a good price for this lens. I think would be nice for portraiture as 42 2,8 - 105 2,8 is much more useful than my DA*16-50.
what you think of this lens?

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In reply to jonny1976, Apr 16, 2012

jonny1976 wrote:

Is 600 euro a good price for this lens. I think would be nice for portraiture as 42 2,8 - 105 2,8 is much more useful than my DA*16-50.
what you think of this lens?

Superb lens; one of Pentax's best ever. And 600 Euros is a steal if it's in good condition.

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Is it the 28-70 F2.8? if so it's the bargain of the year!!
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Msroberts wrote:

Superb lens; one of Pentax's best ever. And 600 Euros is a steal if it's in good condition.

What he said!

I paid $1200 for my (used but mint) copy over 5 years ago.
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In reply to jonny1976, Apr 16, 2012

Hello jonny1976

It's like the others already sad: If the lens is in good condition...run and buy it

It's always the best thing to test a lens itself. And I don't think you lost any money if you (maybe) sell it again.

To the lens. I have one since 1 1/2 year and realy like it.

What I would point out beside the very good IQ of this Zoom lens:

  • it have a fast and snappy AF ( even on my old ist DS this lens have a fast AF speed)

  • the rotating front element makes the use of a Pol-filter not very easy

  • full open (f2.8) and only @ 70mm the sharpness of my copy is a little soft. But that softness is gone at once if I stop down the lens a little bit.

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Jim King wrote:

Msroberts wrote:

Superb lens; one of Pentax's best ever. And 600 Euros is a steal if it's in good condition.

What he said!

I paid $1200 for my (used but mint) copy over 5 years ago.

Most likely failure is the missing black rectangle (which I miss on my copy) , may not affect the use of the lens at all, probably will not although it may indicate more

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In reply to DAVID MANZE, Apr 16, 2012

yes is the star zoom.

lens is mint i think 99% clean glass a micro mark difficult to see even under the light.
body seems free of scratch and function are smooth,

price startd 650 he told me i can give u at 600 maybe i copuld go down a bit. tomorrow i go to try it with my k5.

id like to have it for portraiture session, i think is the best compromise between both the da+ i have and most of all i want use it with micro third camera and tilt adapter thanks to aperture ring,.

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Is it the 28-70 F2.8? if so it's the bargain of the year!!
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In reply to Msroberts, Apr 17, 2012

i come back today tried it love it and bought it.
600 euro. 98% mint i d say.

dont' know if i ll keep or sell but is a superb lens. i wish all the DA* were made the same way

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jonny1976 wrote:

Is 600 euro a good price for this lens. I think would be nice for portraiture as 42 2,8 - 105 2,8 is much more useful than my DA*16-50.
what you think of this lens?

Superb lens; one of Pentax's best ever. And 600 Euros is a steal if it's in good condition.

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jonny1976 wrote:

i come back today tried it love it and bought it.
600 euro. 98% mint i d say.

dont' know if i ll keep or sell but is a superb lens. i wish all the DA* were made the same way

Is the Pz switch still attached this was the Achilles heal of this lens .?

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jonny1976 wrote:

Is 600 euro a good price for this lens. I think would be nice for portraiture as 42 2,8 - 105 2,8 is much more useful than my DA*16-50.
what you think of this lens?

Superb lens; one of Pentax's best ever. And 600 Euros is a steal if it's in good condition.

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In reply to awaldram, Apr 17, 2012

yes power zoom works great and i love this feature..superb idea.

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jonny1976 wrote:

i come back today tried it love it and bought it.
600 euro. 98% mint i d say.

dont' know if i ll keep or sell but is a superb lens. i wish all the DA* were made the same way

Is the Pz switch still attached this was the Achilles heal of this lens .?

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jonny1976 wrote:

Is 600 euro a good price for this lens. I think would be nice for portraiture as 42 2,8 - 105 2,8 is much more useful than my DA*16-50.
what you think of this lens?

Superb lens; one of Pentax's best ever. And 600 Euros is a steal if it's in good condition.

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Don't forget to post some images.

Were only slightly green with jealousy at the moment

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It really is an excellent lens (My favorite FA* of the three I've tried...FA*24/2 and FA*80-200/2.8). It's heavy and huge with the lens hood. It also extends while zooming. But IQ is excellent, heaps of contrast. It doesn't let a whole lot of light and at times with the size you'd wonder whether it's worth it. But overall an excellent lens and you bought it an an absolutely incredible price.
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In reply to jonny1976, Apr 18, 2012

Optically it is 'good to very good'.

It's weaker at the tele end. 70mm is quite soft fully open. Need to stop down to f4.0 or smaller to become decent. (Compared to Tamron 28-75).

The wide end is very good from the let go. I have no reservation using f2.8 at the wider end.

Colour rendition is beautiful, and contrast is great. Bokeh is lovely. Those are the main reasons I prefer it to the Tamron A09.

However, Mechanically it is terrible - extending barrel during zoom and focusing, the barrel also rotates when focusing, meaning the use of a CPR is going to be troublesome.

It is also BIG and heavy. the PZ functions are crippled on the recent DSLR bodies so not really useful.

The Titanium paint chips easily.

I still like it very much, but I also get very frustrated with it.

I would like Pentax to do a modern re-boot of this lens - lighten the weight and put it on a diet for weight, WR proof it, and improve the telephoto slightly, then it would be a 5 star lens. Currently I rate it 3 and half.

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In reply to Katsura, Apr 18, 2012

personally i love everything from iq to finish to building and power zoom!

yes a bit soft at 70 2,8 but nice softness, for the rest on par with the 16-50 with better micro contrast and corner and far less ca. i have bought a canon adapter and i will try it with 5d2.

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Optically it is 'good to very good'.

It's weaker at the tele end. 70mm is quite soft fully open. Need to stop down to f4.0 or smaller to become decent. (Compared to Tamron 28-75).

The wide end is very good from the let go. I have no reservation using f2.8 at the wider end.

Colour rendition is beautiful, and contrast is great. Bokeh is lovely. Those are the main reasons I prefer it to the Tamron A09.

However, Mechanically it is terrible - extending barrel during zoom and focusing, the barrel also rotates when focusing, meaning the use of a CPR is going to be troublesome.

It is also BIG and heavy. the PZ functions are crippled on the recent DSLR bodies so not really useful.

The Titanium paint chips easily.

I still like it very much, but I also get very frustrated with it.

I would like Pentax to do a modern re-boot of this lens - lighten the weight and put it on a diet for weight, WR proof it, and improve the telephoto slightly, then it would be a 5 star lens. Currently I rate it 3 and half.

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It is also BIG and heavy. the PZ functions are crippled on the recent DSLR bodies so not really useful.

Powerzoom itsself still works, it is a few extra function that dont work anymore
but those are the function that you have the rectangulat Pz switch for

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Is the Pz switch still attached this was the Achilles heal of this lens .?

so loosing that is not too bug a deal, unless you acquire the Pz1-P

Not even sure what those functions are as the powerzoom ( zooming with a small twist of the wrist) is good enough for me.
One disadvantage, it drains energy..

I would like Pentax to do a modern re-boot of this lens - lighten the weight and put it on a diet for weight, WR proof it, and improve the telephoto slightly, then it would be a 5 star lens. Currently I rate it 3 and half.

And it is the powerzoom feature that makes it ideal for DIY sealing, we all know the trick of a plastic bag taped around your kit. But it often is a hassle to use the zoomring because of the bag. Much easier to use the powerzoom ring through the plastic.

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In reply to jonny1976, Apr 18, 2012

Then wait and see how easily it is scratched :).
I think I only looked at it last time, and it started chipping

Also keep an eye on the PZ switch - when ppl say it breaks, they mean literally the black plastic falls out.

As for why PowerZoom is crippled, have a read on how PZ-1 and other old film bodies handle the Power zoom feature. and you will see on DSLR bodies it's rather pointless (compared tot he intended full feature)

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janneman02 wrote:

Katsura wrote:

It is also BIG and heavy. the PZ functions are crippled on the recent DSLR bodies so not really useful.

Powerzoom itsself still works, it is a few extra function that dont work anymore
but those are the function that you have the rectangulat Pz switch for

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Is the Pz switch still attached this was the Achilles heal of this lens .?

so loosing that is not too bug a deal, unless you acquire the Pz1-P

Not even sure what those functions are as the powerzoom ( zooming with a small twist of the wrist) is good enough for me.

1 Auto zoom return on switch off
2 Constant target size
3 Power zooming

With SDM cameras you should get 1 and 3 the switch activates target zoom tracking and as you say is a mute point for the SDM cameras as its not supported.

I'd want it present though on any lens I paid more than a couple of quid for.

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In reply to Katsura, Apr 19, 2012

Katsura wrote:

Optically it is 'good to very good'.

It's weaker at the tele end. 70mm is quite soft fully open. Need to stop down to f4.0 or smaller to become decent. (Compared to Tamron 28-75).

The wide end is very good from the let go. I have no reservation using f2.8 at the wider end.

Colour rendition is beautiful, and contrast is great. Bokeh is lovely. Those are the main reasons I prefer it to the Tamron A09.

I had the FA*28-70 f2.8 and I agree with what you have written above, except I didn't find it soft wide open at 70mm, it was good but it did get better at f4, actually excellent. It is a gem of a lens.

However, Mechanically it is terrible - extending barrel during zoom and focusing, the barrel also rotates when focusing, meaning the use of a CPR is going to be troublesome.

I disagree with one thing here. The fact that the barrel extends during zooming is actually a good thing and the reason is that it retracts in at 70mm giving maximum hood effect and extends out when at 28mm so as not to cause vignetting by the hood, quite an ingenious system when you think about it.

The fact that it rotates is a pain if you use a polariser, but if you don't then it's not an issue. I rarely used a polariser.

It is also BIG and heavy. the PZ functions are crippled on the recent DSLR bodies so not really useful.

I love the power zoom feature of this lens and also the FA*80-200 f2.8 that I had, both were gem lenses.

The Titanium paint chips easily.

I still like it very much, but I also get very frustrated with it.

I would like Pentax to do a modern re-boot of this lens - lighten the weight and put it on a diet for weight, WR proof it, and improve the telephoto slightly, then it would be a 5 star lens. Currently I rate it 3 and half.

I would give it 4 to 4.5 stars for IQ and 3.5 for mechanical.

If it is in top condition, for 600 Euros it's an absolute bargain and I wouldn't walk but run and buy it! This lens and the FA*80-200 f2.8 were the last lenses that I sold off when I moved to Nikon and they were also part of the reasons why I hung on to Pentax so long.

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