For OM-D smaller 14-42 IIr or larger 12-50

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MikeMercer
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For OM-D smaller 14-42 IIr or larger 12-50
Apr 14, 2012

I plan to buy an OM-D and since the camera is quite small I want a video enhanced small walk around m lens to go with it.

I'm hoping my zuiko's 9-18, 14-42, 35, 40-150, 70-300, EC-1.4, OM 500 , and Bigma will all focus well enough for landscapes and birds???

I'm concerned the kit m12-50 is too long at 3 inches, while the kit m14-42 is only 2 inches. Both are video enhanced. Or would my zuiko 14-42 serve as a walking around lens including video.

I'm afraid the water resistant 12-50 is a more useful range I especially wanted to get a zuiko 12-60 but it was too heavy in grams as well as dollars.

Any recommendations?

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Re: For OM-D smaller 14-42 IIr or larger 12-50
In reply to MikeMercer, Apr 14, 2012

i think 12-50mm better option, price with kit is a plum

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Reasons to go for 12-50
In reply to MikeMercer, Apr 14, 2012

MikeMercer wrote:

I plan to buy an OM-D and since the camera is quite small I want a video enhanced small walk around m lens to go with it.

I'm hoping my zuiko's 9-18, 14-42, 35, 40-150, 70-300, EC-1.4, OM 500 , and Bigma will all focus well enough for landscapes and birds???

I'm concerned the kit m12-50 is too long at 3 inches, while the kit m14-42 is only 2 inches. Both are video enhanced. Or would my zuiko 14-42 serve as a walking around lens including video.

I'm afraid the water resistant 12-50 is a more useful range I especially wanted to get a zuiko 12-60 but it was too heavy in grams as well as dollars.

Any recommendations?

Yes, the 14-42 might make a nice small combo with the EM-5.

But there are more reasons to go for 12-50 (I think):

1. available as standard kit bundled with the EM-5 at a price less than what you would pay for body and lens separately : for the 14-42 you would need to get the OM-D body only, and then add 14-42 : the price will be not less than 12-50 IMHO

2. more useful zoom range : especially the 2mm extra on the wide side

3. weatherproofed to go with the body, while the 14-42 is not

4. if I understand the marketing correctly, that lens is as good for CDAF focusing for stills (as is the 14-42) but with its new AF and zoom motor, it will be quicker and more silent (especially useful for video)

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Re: Reasons to go for 12-50
In reply to RoelHendrickx, Apr 14, 2012

RoelHendrickx wrote:

But there are more reasons to go for 12-50 (I think):

1. available as standard kit bundled with the EM-5 at a price less than what you would pay for body and lens separately : for the 14-42 you would need to get the OM-D body only, and then add 14-42 : the price will be not less than 12-50 IMHO

2. more useful zoom range : especially the 2mm extra on the wide side

3. weatherproofed to go with the body, while the 14-42 is not

4. if I understand the marketing correctly, that lens is as good for CDAF focusing for stills (as is the 14-42) but with its new AF and zoom motor, it will be quicker and more silent (especially useful for video)

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Add to this list that the 12-50 is internal zoom. That means that it remains the same length while zoomng out, while the 14-42 extends to almost the same length as the 12-50. So the size point is only an advantage at the short end. This is, of course, and advantage when it comes to storing the camera.

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In reply to MikeMercer, Apr 14, 2012

Owning the EM-5 and 12-50 I can truly say that this lens is under rated, and would be the better choice for Video.

Its design is very videocentric; you have two zooming choices, one push pull style aka normal video cameras and the other stills zoom.

The camera additionally can do macro, and is designed FOR the OMD.

There is a L-Fnctn button on the lens (basically stolen idea from Samsung) that has an extra button to utilize.

Trust me, very good lens for a walkaround.

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In reply to CharlesB58, Apr 14, 2012

CharlesB58 wrote:

RoelHendrickx wrote:

But there are more reasons to go for 12-50 (I think):

1. available as standard kit bundled with the EM-5 at a price less than what you would pay for body and lens separately : for the 14-42 you would need to get the OM-D body only, and then add 14-42 : the price will be not less than 12-50 IMHO

2. more useful zoom range : especially the 2mm extra on the wide side

3. weatherproofed to go with the body, while the 14-42 is not

4. if I understand the marketing correctly, that lens is as good for CDAF focusing for stills (as is the 14-42) but with its new AF and zoom motor, it will be quicker and more silent (especially useful for video)

Add to this list that the 12-50 is internal zoom. That means that it remains the same length while zoomng out, while the 14-42 extends to almost the same length as the 12-50. So the size point is only an advantage at the short end. This is, of course, and advantage when it comes to storing the camera.

Yes, I had forgotten that.

The fact that it is internal zoom is an important factor in the weathersealing (the extending zoom mechanism is the weak point of my ZD50-200) and also in the improved silence.

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I was already convinced but you have convinced me some more
In reply to Mark Chan, Apr 14, 2012

Mark Chan wrote:

Owning the EM-5 and 12-50 I can truly say that this lens is under rated, and would be the better choice for Video.

I think the underrating is to a large extent a result of the very meagre aperture values : normally I would very much prefer my lenses to be quite a bit faster throughout the range. That is, IMHO, the biggest drawback of the 12-50.

However, I do have other lenses to do large aperture work (and at a later stage I can add a few microFT fast primes, and I believe that Olympus has probably gone for a good overall package in their EM-5 kit lens. For the price difference with "body only" I doubt whether it would be wise NOT to get the 12-50 as kit lens : replacing it with almost any faster lens (prime) would cost more or the same.

Its design is very videocentric; you have two zooming choices, one push pull style aka normal video cameras and the other stills zoom.

Did not know that.

The camera additionally can do macro, and is designed FOR the OMD.

There is a L-Fnctn button on the lens (basically stolen idea from Samsung) that has an extra button to utilize.

What do YOU use that for?

Trust me, very good lens for a walkaround.

OK. Sounds like a good assessment.

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and one for the 14-42II
In reply to RoelHendrickx, Apr 14, 2012

It depends on how what other lenses you have, and what you think
you might get.

I have been mostly using primes with mFT. Faster, sharper, easy
to carry a bunch of them. So why have a zoom at all?

Switching lenses is a pain. Makes it hard to keep up with my wife.
Most of photos are travel photos, and many are just personal documentary

shots the zoom is fine. Since it is a fourth or fifth lens, and I have the primes
if I need them, and the 12mm if I want wider, size is more important.

I find over half my photos are from the 14-42. The best ones are from the
primes - but that is largely because I put some effort into them, but some
of my favorite are from the little zoom.

I have the 14-42, and may get the 12-50 (for all the reasons Roel gives), but
if the new Panasonic is really good, I will end up with one of those. The
Panasonic if I only want a zoom, and the 14-42 if I wanted to go small, or
backup a bunch of primes, and the 12-50 would have no role. (unless I wanted
to (intentionally) go out and shoot in the rain).

This is how I end up with too much stuff, get what makes sense at the time,
then end up bracketing it into redundancy.

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Re: I was already convinced but you have convinced me some more
In reply to RoelHendrickx, Apr 15, 2012

IUse that for magnification to help with macro focus.you can also set it for the digital multiplier and others.

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In reply to RoelHendrickx, Apr 15, 2012

Point 1. Very good reasons, but point number 1 is I think mistaken, the 14-42IIR comes in the $1099 kit package so only costs $100 over the body alone, versus the $1299 kit with the 12-50.

Point 2. the difference between 12 and 14 is quite noticable and useful. I pined after a 24mm lens my cousin had compared to my 28mm I had back in film days. So I know the critical advantage, this may be the strongest reason for me.

Point 3. Waterproofing is a nice touch

Point 4. The 14-42IIR supposedly looks like it has the same motor and quiet video performance as the 12-50.

How much will I second guess my self for not getting the 12-50. I'm going to have to feel one in my hands when National Camera in Minneapolis gets some mid April

Thanks all for the overwhelming support of the 12-50

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Re: For OM-D smaller 14-42 IIr or larger 12-50
In reply to MikeMercer, Apr 15, 2012

What about the panasonic 14-42 X lens?

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Wrong....there is also a 14-42 kit
In reply to RoelHendrickx, Apr 16, 2012

There is a OMD & 14-42 II kit. For only $99 more it's a good deal. and more pocketable combo.
Only drawback is the comob is black body only if you wanted silver.

RoelHendrickx wrote:

Yes, the 14-42 might make a nice small combo with the EM-5.

But there are more reasons to go for 12-50 (I think):

1. available as standard kit bundled with the EM-5 at a price less than what you would pay for body and lens separately : for the 14-42 you would need to get the OM-D body only, and then add 14-42 : the price will be not less than 12-50 IMHO

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In reply to Oly500Enew, Apr 16, 2012

Oly500Enew wrote:

There is a OMD & 14-42 II kit. For only $99 more it's a good deal. and more pocketable combo.
Only drawback is the comob is black body only if you wanted silver.

OK I did not know about that alternative kit-combo.
Here in Europe I have not yet seen any actual EM-5s.

And if I look at the websites of a few retailers, there are only "body only" and "bundled with 12-50" packages.
Sadly, no specifics about promotions either.

If I were to buy an EM-5 with ZD12-50 bundled, I would like to see that Olympus throws in the HLD-6 as promotion, and I also feel that it would be a good move to reward loyal FT customers that can show purchase of FT-lenses, with a free adapter.

RoelHendrickx wrote:

Yes, the 14-42 might make a nice small combo with the EM-5.

But there are more reasons to go for 12-50 (I think):

1. available as standard kit bundled with the EM-5 at a price less than what you would pay for body and lens separately : for the 14-42 you would need to get the OM-D body only, and then add 14-42 : the price will be not less than 12-50 IMHO--

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In reply to RoelHendrickx, Apr 16, 2012

I thought some other Euros said they have the Grip avail as free after rebate Promo in Europe, but we in the US don't have that option sadly. Just the adapters or tiny flash.

Now availability of any of these configurations is another story completely. I would like the Silver body with 14-42 option, but I guess I'll make do with the new primes.

RoelHendrickx wrote:

Oly500Enew wrote:

There is a OMD & 14-42 II kit. For only $99 more it's a good deal. and more pocketable combo.
Only drawback is the comob is black body only if you wanted silver.

OK I did not know about that alternative kit-combo.
Here in Europe I have not yet seen any actual EM-5s.

And if I look at the websites of a few retailers, there are only "body only" and "bundled with 12-50" packages.
Sadly, no specifics about promotions either.

If I were to buy an EM-5 with ZD12-50 bundled, I would like to see that Olympus throws in the HLD-6 as promotion, and I also feel that it would be a good move to reward loyal FT customers that can show purchase of FT-lenses, with a free adapter.

RoelHendrickx wrote:

Yes, the 14-42 might make a nice small combo with the EM-5.

But there are more reasons to go for 12-50 (I think):

1. available as standard kit bundled with the EM-5 at a price less than what you would pay for body and lens separately : for the 14-42 you would need to get the OM-D body only, and then add 14-42 : the price will be not less than 12-50 IMHO--

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In reply to RoelHendrickx, Apr 16, 2012

As stated, there are many reasons to go with the 12-50mm lens so I won't repeat those, but I will mention that initial tests suggest the 14-42mm II R is faster in terms of AF and is sharper at all focal lengths and apertures than the 12-50mm.

If I didn't already have the 14-42mm II R from my E-P3 and the 12-60mm from my 4/3 kit then I'd probably buy the 12-50mm. However, since I have those other two lenses I'm not buying the 12-50mm.

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In reply to MikeMercer, Apr 16, 2012

it works very well......along with the 45mm1.8, a most useful, light, kit is made with the E-M5........see my flickr stream for some examples, mostly street shots......
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also in the states......
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the MMF-3 weather sealed 4/3rds adaptor qualifies for a rebate.....
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In reply to rsoud, Apr 17, 2012

The 12-50mm is clearly made for those who want a versatile lens. It is very good then, in fact the most versatile of any zoom lens made by anyone ever.

Just like that family wagon, you cannot expect it to win slaloms or beauty contests. You buy it for what it can do well in and its value of having all so many features.

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Re: also in the states......
In reply to Sergey Borachev, Apr 28, 2012

Went to National Camera Exchange in Roseville MN, to see if they had EM5 for me to handle. Ran into an Oly fan salesman, who said his big problem is black or chrome, and will be ordering one for sure. The local Oly salesman brought in a sample one for him to handle, so he is quite sure he will buy.

His enthusiasm convinced me to buy one but he never said "Can I order one for you?" I mentioned that if I bought at B&H or Amazon I'd get free shipping and no state taxes, what could he do for me to compensate for higher cost? They offer free photo classes is all he could offer. Still he didnt say, "Can I order one for you?"

So I came home and ordered one from B&H, saving almost $100 in taxes alone. Too bad the idiots at the state capital who are argueing over how to pay for a new stadium for the Vikings, didn't just impose state taxes on internet purchases, for which I wouldn't hesitate to order from National Camera Exchange. Not only is the state losing money but so are the local merchants. Idiots they are, but I'm not.

Anyways all black with the 12-50 lens, no retro look for me, just small like my two E-510s that I bought because of their "SMALL SIZE"

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In reply to MikeMercer, May 7, 2012

I read the review by DPR and was quite dissapointed to find the video performance was not up to par with the rest of the performance. Also needed to add an external mic and saw another message showing there is no native mic input port.

Combined with the poor performance of 4/3 lenses, I couldn't justify buying it sight unseen.

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