Really frustrated with a65 flash exposures

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dodgebaena
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Really frustrated with a65 flash exposures
Apr 13, 2012

My flash pictures are so inconsistent, and the white balance is all over the place that I am seriously thinking of going back to Canon (40D, 5D, 5D2, 60D), my system for 6 years until Nov 2011. I've been reading posts and forums, etc and I can't seem to find the solution. I get paid to do my job and I already mangled 2 jobs, albeit small ones. My Canon exposures were so consistent and the controls so intuitive that using the a65 for paying jobs is very frustrating.
I am not trolling here. If you read my blog entries at
http://www.elementalview.blogspot.com

you can see my rave reviews of the a65. but having to constantly check my flash over/under comp every 10 shots is frustrating. I don't want to give up on the Sony because I really like its video implementation.

I will wait for the a99 to see if that's an improvement. Or should I get one of the remaining OVF Sonys?
I use the 43 flash with the latest firmware (1.05)

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Re: Really frustrated with a65 flash exposures
In reply to dodgebaena, Apr 13, 2012

I sent my feedback to Matthew.Parnell@am.sony.com (PR Specialist
Digital Still Cameras and Alpha Cameras, PSA)
https://news.sel.sony.com/en/corporate_information/contact_us

I have tried a few other channels, but received no feedback.

Matthew's reply was:

"thanks for your extensive feedback. I will forward onto the appropriate people for condiserdation"

I recommend you to do the same thing. The more complaints they receive, the better chance we will have to have this issue fixed sooner.

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In reply to dodgebaena, Apr 13, 2012

Can you provide more information on the problems you are experiencing, under what conditions? perhaps some example photos?

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I will later when I get home from work.

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Mr Mcbit wrote:
I sent my feedback to Matthew.Parnell@am.sony.com (PR Specialist
Digital Still Cameras and Alpha Cameras, PSA)
https://news.sel.sony.com/en/corporate_information/contact_us

I have tried a few other channels, but received no feedback.

Matthew's reply was:

"thanks for your extensive feedback. I will forward onto the appropriate people for condiserdation"

I recommend you to do the same thing. The more complaints they receive, the better chance we will have to have this issue fixed sooner.

I will do this this weekend. I'm running out of ideas on how to fix this.
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Re: Really frustrated with a65 flash exposures
In reply to dodgebaena, Apr 13, 2012

With the built-in flash I don't have any problems on A77.

When putting the Metz 50-AF1 the problems begin. Under exposure most of the time and totally unreliable. Untill I updated the firmware to V3.0 in the Metz, just today I did. And ... everything perfect ! You don't know how happy I am.

I can put it in manual, change ISO, put it in aperture priority, AUTO mode, whatever but the exposure is perfect.

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In reply to danny006, Apr 14, 2012

There are numerous threads already posted regarding severe flash problems with the a77 and a65 bodies using external flash. The problems include both exposure and white balance inconsistencies, often abrubt changes which spoill the results.

The problem is not fixable by user settings but hopefully will be acknowledged and fixed by Sony. It is either a design or firmware problem.

Those of us, yourself included, who have used and owned Canon and Nikon DSLRs are totally surprised at how very poor the Sony flash system performs.

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danny006 wrote:

With the built-in flash I don't have any problems on A77.

When putting the Metz 50-AF1 the problems begin. Under exposure most of the time and totally unreliable. Untill I updated the firmware to V3.0 in the Metz, just today I did. And ... everything perfect ! You don't know how happy I am.

I can put it in manual, change ISO, put it in aperture priority, AUTO mode, whatever but the exposure is perfect.

This is encouraging news. Can you put the Metz into a bounce orientation and take some test shots? Also use Auto ISO. These 2 conditions seem to be the worst case for my a77 and 58 Sony flash. I can go for many shots without a problem and then, out of nowhere........WHITEOUTS......

I would love to find another flash which would solve this problem. Even though the Sony 58 flash was expensive and only a few months old, I would replace it in a heartbeat if I could find a flash which works reliably with the a77, even if it was a third party unit like Metz, a very reputable and old, established brand.

Larry

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Yup, bouncing and auto ISO also fine, I just tried.

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In reply to danny006, Apr 15, 2012

I have been seriously shopping for the Metz Mecablitz flash since I read your prior post, and am prepared to dump my recently purchased Sony top-of-the-line 58 flash based on really aggravating and unpredictable results with the Sony 58.

When shopping for the Mecablitz, I am finding the customer reviews to be quite mixed, and ask that you take a look at:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/744493-REG/Metz_MZ_50316S_mecablitz_50_AF_1_TTL.html

and also:

http://www.amazon.com/Metz-MZ-50316S-Digital-Cameras/product-reviews/B004DUMUCO/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_pop_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar

As you will see, the comments are not especially favorable from some users and thus the ratings on both B and H Phnoto and Amazon seem mixed.

I am struggling to find more user comments and get a better sense of how people like me with a77 and NEX-7 will find this flash.

Having been totally unhappy with the $400 Sony flash, I am a bit reluctant to make another expensive mistake.

Any opinions or thoughts would be most appreciated.

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In reply to danny006, Apr 16, 2012

danny006 wrote:

Yup, bouncing and auto ISO also fine, I just tried.

The Metz option is really good news and I think I'll go for it (fortunately, I believe I have the option of returning it after a few days of tests). Seeing as how it seems that this is a Sony design flaw and there's nothing I can do about it, the Metz is a viable option.

Buying a Metz is a lot cheaper than switching to another syste, yet again (for me). My only concern is that I probably will lose the wierless capability of my secong Sony 43 flash.

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It disappeared from my Amazon shopping cart as I was placing the order! Out of stock!

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dodgebaena wrote:

danny006 wrote:

Yup, bouncing and auto ISO also fine, I just tried.

The Metz option is really good news and I think I'll go for it (fortunately, I believe I have the option of returning it after a few days of tests). Seeing as how it seems that this is a Sony design flaw and there's nothing I can do about it, the Metz is a viable option.

Buying a Metz is a lot cheaper than switching to another syste, yet again (for me). My only concern is that I probably will lose the wierless capability of my secong Sony 43 flash.

I'm picking up a 50 AF-1 from Henrys at lunch. I'm looking forward to flash-Nirvana for an event shoot tomorrow! If it turms out to be flash-hell, well, it's back to manual flash.

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In reply to dodgebaena, Apr 16, 2012

Hi,

remember updating the flash FW. Metz issued an update for A65/77
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Can't wait to hear.. My a77 is not causing a problem with the onboard flash - but was going to get something meater - and the Metz looks a good option if it works well.

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dodgebaena wrote:

danny006 wrote:

Yup, bouncing and auto ISO also fine, I just tried.

The Metz option is really good news and I think I'll go for it (fortunately, I believe I have the option of returning it after a few days of tests). Seeing as how it seems that this is a Sony design flaw and there's nothing I can do about it, the Metz is a viable option.

Buying a Metz is a lot cheaper than switching to another syste, yet again (for me). My only concern is that I probably will lose the wierless capability of my secong Sony 43 flash.

I'm picking up a 50 AF-1 from Henrys at lunch. I'm looking forward to flash-Nirvana for an event shoot tomorrow! If it turms out to be flash-hell, well, it's back to manual flash.

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There are some people who are having this problem and some who are not. I am one of those who has not had the problem and I've taken hundreds of flash photos with both the built in and a Sigma flash. Because so many of us do not have the problem it must not be a design flaw so seems that there must be a simple solution if only we could figure it out.
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tbcass wrote:

There are some people who are having this problem and some who are not. I am one of those who has not had the problem and I've taken hundreds of flash photos with both the built in and a Sigma flash. Because so many of us do not have the problem it must not be a design flaw so seems that there must be a simple solution if only we could figure it out.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/63683676@N07/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/

I believe that there is a design flaw or firmware problem in the a77, not fixed yet as of v1.05 firmware. The problem seems to affect the Sony 58 flash as well as some other Sony models, but does NOT seem to affect those using third-party flash units like the Sigma you are using or the Metz.

In addition, the Sony 58 flash I have works flawlessly with the NEX-7 and a55, so I have little / no reason to believe that the 58 flash is inherently faulty. I personally feel that the a77 is at fault.

I still have a number of unfixed a77 bugs despite two firmware upgrades. The camera is much better now than when I originally got it shortly after it was introduced, but there are several STRANGE problems which occur with the a77. My prior and current experience with other alpha models has been much better, and I personally think the a77 was introduced WAAAY too soon before it had been properly tested and debugged. I am hoping that Sony is still working on fixing these issues, but they remain absolutely silent on this subject.

Larry

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LSHorwitz1 wrote:

I still have a number of unfixed a77 bugs despite two firmware upgrades. The camera is much better now than when I originally got it shortly after it was introduced, but there are several STRANGE problems which occur with the a77. My prior and current experience with other alpha models has been much better, and I personally think the a77 was introduced WAAAY too soon before it had been properly tested and debugged. I am hoping that Sony is still working on fixing these issues, but they remain absolutely silent on this subject.

Would you mind sharing the list of bugs you still have?

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mike_2008 wrote:

LSHorwitz1 wrote:

I still have a number of unfixed a77 bugs despite two firmware upgrades. The camera is much better now than when I originally got it shortly after it was introduced, but there are several STRANGE problems which occur with the a77. My prior and current experience with other alpha models has been much better, and I personally think the a77 was introduced WAAAY too soon before it had been properly tested and debugged. I am hoping that Sony is still working on fixing these issues, but they remain absolutely silent on this subject.

Would you mind sharing the list of bugs you still have?

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The most frequently occuring bugs are in the deletion of recorded images using the 'multiple' selection and erase. The specific problems include the lack of ability to properly scroll through the images already on the card to select those to be deleted, the presentation of messed up thumbnails preventing me from seeing which images are actually selected, and the incomplete deletion of those selected for deletion. A full card which requires deletion of some photos to gain space is the most problematic case.

Less frequent bugs are in flash not being activated after wake-up, occasional lock-outs of focusing, lags / delays in performing some operations which are otherwise normally instantaneous or nearly instantaneous, rare but bothersome changes of settings from what I had previously chosen for no apparent reason (most often EV+ and - adjustments), occasional loss of communications between the a77 body and the attached lens, and occasional 'jumps' in exposure from frame to frame with no camera, subject, or lighting changes.

These problems are not frequent, and the reliability of the camera has improved greatly in the last 2 firmware iterations. However, I still do not have the utter sense of confidence and predictable performance I have expected and grown accustomed to with prior DSLRs, incluyding the a55 and NEX-7 and NEX-5 which I own / owned. The a77 just does not have the refined ease of use and dependability yet, but perhaps this will improve with future firmware.

I have sold my Sony 58 flash at a considerable loss after owning it for a few months, and have ordered the Metz 58, entirely as a result of very frustrating flash performance shared by many other people on this forum. I personally believe it is entirely the a77 since the flash works great on other cameras here, and only the a77 has very serious exposure and white balance problems.

Larry

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LSHorwitz1 wrote:

I believe that there is a design flaw or firmware problem in the a77, not fixed yet as of v1.05 firmware. The problem seems to affect the Sony 58 flash as well as some other Sony models, but does NOT seem to affect those using third-party flash units like the Sigma you are using or the Metz.

In addition, the Sony 58 flash I have works flawlessly with the NEX-7 and a55, so I have little / no reason to believe that the 58 flash is inherently faulty. I personally feel that the a77 is at fault.

OK I understand. It's a problem with the way the camera is communicating with some flashes and not others. Well it certainly needs to be addressed by Sony.

I still have a number of unfixed a77 bugs despite two firmware upgrades. The camera is much better now than when I originally got it shortly after it was introduced, but there are several STRANGE problems which occur with the a77. My prior and current experience with other alpha models has been much better, and I personally think the a77 was introduced WAAAY too soon before it had been properly tested and debugged. I am hoping that Sony is still working on fixing these issues, but they remain absolutely silent on this subject.

I agree with you here.

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