What does the 5D3 offer for Landscapes over 5D2

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What does the 5D3 offer for Landscapes over 5D2
Apr 13, 2012

What would be the key benefit for shooting Landscapes on a mk3 over a mk2?

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Re: What does the 5D3 offer for Landscapes over 5D2
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We have to wait for tests : dpreview, DxO, ...

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Built in spirit level
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DPR & DxO do not test for landscape
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jan pawlak wrote:

We have to wait for tests : dpreview, DxO, ...

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The new bracketing is huge IMO
In reply to latent, Apr 13, 2012

Sway during bracketed bursts are minimized with a faster fos.

Larger rear screen, may be more significant to us old gheezers.

If you are a videographer of landscape, there seems to be some upgrade there.

22 MPs on a FF sensor is still nothing to sneeze at.

Built-in HDR, albeit a mixed review thus far according to what I have read.

Lens Optimizer thingie.

Even the new AF will help those who are not Live View types.

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What would be the key benefit for shooting Landscapes on a mk3 over a mk2?

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Re: What does the 5D3 offer for Landscapes over 5D2
In reply to latent, Apr 13, 2012

In addition to others:
Better build - more water resistant
Wider bracketing options

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In reply to latent, Apr 13, 2012

Probably not enough to justify the upgrade - there are nice features, but I suspect most landscape photogs have found effective workarounds with the 5Dii (or 5D for that matter) - you can buy a hot shoe spirit level for a bit less than £3000

Don't get me wrong - I love my 5D3, but its more for the fact that it takes all the things that were great about the 5Dii and makes them available in a tool that can be confidently applied to pretty much any type of photography.

I doubt that if I were a dedicated landscape or studio photographer I would have bought it.

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Oops, forgot the 100% viewfinder nt
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Re: What does the 5D3 offer for Landscapes over 5D2
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It pushes down the price of the 5D mark II.

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Re: DPR & DxO do not test for landscape
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DxO tests dynamic range, which certainly does impact landscape photography.....

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As a 5D2 owner and landscape shooter, all the 5D3 does to me is to make the 5D2 resale value to go down a little more, I am not a jpeg and in camera HDR user, I don't normally use my 5D2 for anything but landscape for its resolution, I have 3 other pro canon and Nikon bodies for everything else, so always shooting 5D2 with Zeiss and TSEs or Samyang manual focus lenses on tripod with Live View focusing in landscape shooting, the major AF upgrade and the in camera HDR thing doesn't do anything for me, I have no interest to upgrade to this new camera, I actually went somewhere else for a landscape camera upgrade. the only thing that might slightly help me in landscape shooting in the 5D3 is the faster frame rate so in bracketing mode I can minimize the clouds movement between shots, I think it also has 5 frame bracketing so it's a improvement over the 3 frame, but I have been using cameras with 7 and 9 frame bracketing already. in my opinion I think this new 5D3 is a huge improvement in every area except for landscape shooting, if I am looking for an all around one-fits-all type of camera, or a small PJ type of camera, that 5D3 can fit very well in that category, but I personally prefer the 1D type of camera sport, event, portrait shooting, so I will just keep my old D3, 1DS2 and even the 1D2 for none landscape shooting until I am ready to get a 1DX and/or D4 for that type of application.

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In reply to latent, Apr 13, 2012

Dan and Rick have some good points.
Having shot with both,
1. wider bracketing, and faster fps in nice for bracketing images.
2. Better weather sealing (never an issue to me)

3. without a doubt in my mind, the shadows at iso 100 are cleaner. I did some test yesterday, underexposing and pushing by 3 stops. there is no blotchy noise. the chroma noise cleans up very nicely. there was no discernable vertical banding. this would by the way be equivalent on LR of pushing the black and shadow slider to 100% and adding .8 exposure for the shadows.

Anyway, as it turns out, the shadows will still look like crap as expected, and suspected and explained in another post here
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1032&message=41184809

you are essentially at best, shooting landscape at high iso. the detail at 100% view starts falling apart, you get blockiness, and lack of fine tonal transition. so in practice, you are better off with exposure blending still.
so in short, not a worthwhile upgrade for landscape shooter.
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jan pawlak wrote:

We have to wait for tests : dpreview, DxO, ...

Only on DP Review would you see a statement like this -- LOL. Those tests aren't going to tell you anything that is not already readily available.

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Re: What does the 5D3 offer for Landscapes over 5D2
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wskb wrote:

In addition to others:
Better build - more water resistant

No, this is not correct. The 5D III has some membranes at the top that were not there in the 5D II, but it is still the same 5D II/7D design. Its build quality is decent, just as the 5D II and 7D.

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Re: What does the 5D3 offer for Landscapes over 5D2
In reply to latent, Apr 13, 2012

As I use both the 5DII and 5DIII, my main business is weddings. But for my landscapes, honestly, not enough to upgrade. I would wait for higher MP camera 1st.

The level is nice, the screen is much better, but for the money, I would wait.. Since I shoot weddings, I needed better AF and dual card slots..

NOW, if the DR is any better, as in a stop, then I would upgrade.

There is one more note.. If you have to push your shadows, and shoot RAW, you will get slightly better results from the 5DIII..

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What would be the key benefit for shooting Landscapes on a mk3 over a mk2?

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The 5DII is much more weather resistance then the 5DII, slight better then the 7D, no where near the 1D IV thought.

The body of the 5DIII FEELS much more solid then the 5DII, about the same as the 7D.

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wskb wrote:

In addition to others:
Better build - more water resistant

No, this is not correct. The 5D III has some membranes at the top that were not there in the 5D II, but it is still the same 5D II/7D design. Its build quality is decent, just as the 5D II and 7D.

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Nothing in my experience (video link)
In reply to latent, Apr 13, 2012

I cover landscapes in this video, starting at about 7:24:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Ums46kKsE

Handling is the same, image quality is the same... so just get the 5D2 and save the extra for a nice lens.

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For bracketing, check out Magic Lantern (link)
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This firmware hack gives you more flexible bracketing options with the 5D2:

http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Lantern_Firmware_Wiki

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MASTERPPA wrote:

There is one more note.. If you have to push your shadows, and shoot RAW, you will get slightly better results from the 5DIII..

I pushed the shadows in my landscape test btw the 5D2 and 5D3 and didn't experience any visible improvement at ISO 100. Watch this video, starting at 7:20:

http://youtu.be/D3Ums46kKsE?t=7m20s

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MASTERPPA wrote:

The 5DII is much more weather resistance then the 5DII, slight better then the 7D, no where near the 1D IV thought.

The body of the 5DIII FEELS much more solid then the 5DII, about the same as the 7D.

The build and degree of water resistance of the 5D III are very similar to that of the 7D.

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