Don't understand consumers purchasing professional cameras

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vFunct
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Don't understand consumers purchasing professional cameras
Apr 13, 2012

I'll never get this.

What exactly do consumers get out of a camera like the D800? Is it that much better than a D5100 for them?

Really, leave the high-resolution to situations that demand it, using supplemental things like controlled lighting, makeup, set design, etc..

High resolution cameras in the hands of non-professionals just means 36 megapixels of blur instead of 12 megapixels of blur. Then there's the people complaining about 4k video when they can't produce any more useful information out of it than a 720p video. They'll take the exact same shot they would have taken in both situations!

In case you pixel peepers haven't noticed, REDUCING information in your images makes them better. What do you think all the filters in Instagram do? They smooth out flaws in your images by selectively reducing the useless information contained in it, to isolate much more important information. (you don't need to see pores in the face, when you want to see the smile, etc..)

The main difference between the consumer and professional is their audience. Your personal audience isn't going to give a crap about seeing pores on people's faces, or every leaf in the tree. Meanwhile, a professional will have the specific needs of the audience in mind, and choose the appropriate tool.

Nikon really means it when they classify cameras into professional and consumer classes.

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In reply to vFunct, Apr 13, 2012

This thread is gonna be fun to watch! lol

There are some people full of it! lol
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vFunct wrote:

I'll never get this.

What exactly do consumers get out of a camera like the D800? Is it that much better than a D5100 for them?

Yes.

Really, leave the high-resolution to situations that demand it, using supplemental things like controlled lighting, makeup, set design, etc..

High resolution cameras in the hands of non-professionals just means 36 megapixels of blur instead of 12 megapixels of blur. Then there's the people complaining about 4k video when they can't produce any more useful information out of it than a 720p video. They'll take the exact same shot they would have taken in both situations!

In case you pixel peepers haven't noticed, REDUCING information in your images makes them better. What do you think all the filters in Instagram do? They smooth out flaws in your images by selectively reducing the useless information contained in it, to isolate much more important information. (you don't need to see pores in the face, when you want to see the smile, etc..)

The main difference between the consumer and professional is their audience. Your personal audience isn't going to give a crap about seeing pores on people's faces, or every leaf in the tree. Meanwhile, a professional will have the specific needs of the audience in mind, and choose the appropriate tool.

Nikon really means it when they classify cameras into professional and consumer classes.

What I rteally can't get is why so many people are so concerned with what other people do with their money if it doesn't even affect them.

Firstly, you are being quite elitist and you really have a closed mind if you don't get why advancecd amateurs wouldn't want a camaera like the D800. Secondly, why do you even give a flying fornication what other people do with their money? It's not yours, so why do you even care. Thirdly, the fact that many (possibly well heeled) amateurs buy the D800 helps to amortise the cost for the professional purchaser, otherwise you'd be complaining about the chigh cost of pro DSLR's.

In my case, I shoot birds as part of my photographic hoibby and to me the D800 is actually two cameras in one as it will replace both my D700 and D7000.
Firstly, I can crop the D800 and it will have the same resolution as the D7000.

Secondly, the AF of the D5100 is not up to the task of accuracy and speed of the D7000 let alone the D700 and now the D800 (which supposed to be even better).

Thirdly, pro spec lenses work much better on pro spec cameras.
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In reply to vFunct, Apr 13, 2012

You have a excellent point there.
But.

As a professional full time photographer,(over 25 years) i have to say that without the mass amateur market the price of a D800 would cost as much as a Hasselblad, so we have to be thankful and grateful the so many people will buy the camera and not use all of its qualities, its in our favour.(price wise).
But i do understand exactly what u are saying.
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JMacedo wrote:

This thread is gonna be fun to watch! lol

You're right there!

But I just couldn't let it go and had to reply as this guy must be living in a rarefied world.

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In reply to JMacedo, Apr 13, 2012

May have something to do with a huge step in technology, introduced at an amazing price.

Careful, one could get a nose bleed on such a high horse.

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vFunct wrote:

I'll never get this.

Of course you never will. You just have no clue and no understanding of some fundamentals. But you do know the secret of how to get added to someone's ignore list. Bye bye

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Well done! +1
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MLebout wrote:

May have something to do with a huge step in technology, introduced at an amazing price.

Careful, one could get a nose bleed on such a high horse.

LOL. Well said.

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bookmarked!

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I want one because it will look nice on the shelf next to my Canadian passport.
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vFunct wrote:

I'll never get this.

What exactly do consumers get out of a camera like the D800?

The satisfaction that comes from spending their money on something they want.

Nothing more to get, no reason it should concern you
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vFunct wrote:

I'll never get this.

Why post this nonsense then?

What exactly do consumers get out of a camera like the D800? Is it that much better than a D5100 for them?

Of course it's better. As a professional, you should know this. You are a pro, right?

Really, leave the high-resolution to situations that demand it, using supplemental things like controlled lighting, makeup, set design, etc..

You clearly don't understand that this camera is more than just resolution.

High resolution cameras in the hands of non-professionals just means 36 megapixels of blur instead of 12 megapixels of blur. Then there's the people complaining about 4k video when they can't produce any more useful information out of it than a 720p video. They'll take the exact same shot they would have taken in both situations!

Dumb statement. Ignorant at best. I suppose only pros have a steady enough hand???

In case you pixel peepers haven't noticed, REDUCING information in your images makes them better. What do you think all the filters in Instagram do? They smooth out flaws in your images by selectively reducing the useless information contained in it, to isolate much more important information. (you don't need to see pores in the face, when you want to see the smile, etc..)

Do you think only pros know how to take good photographs? You have serious problems if you do.

The main difference between the consumer and professional is their audience. Your personal audience isn't going to give a crap about seeing pores on people's faces, or every leaf in the tree. Meanwhile, a professional will have the specific needs of the audience in mind, and choose the appropriate tool.

Shall we call you God? You seem to know better than everyone else what THEIR audience (which includes the amateur who buys the camera) wants to see.

Nikon really means it when they classify cameras into professional and consumer classes.

Unfortunately for you, it doesn't seem possible for you to understand what a consumer is.

Good grief. I really hope this OP was in jest. Otherwise, your crazy

What I do with my money is of no concern to you.

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This guy must be poor or from a third world country. He doesn't understand first world problems.

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In reply to Douglas Film, Apr 13, 2012

I agree with OP. Mirror less cams are much better choice for 99% of amateur, I believe. Actually, I think those fake professional-lloking DSLRs such as Canon KISS are more ridiculous than D800.

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The OP is absolutely right !
In reply to vFunct, Apr 13, 2012

I beleive Nikon should ask proofs that the buyers are true PROs before to accept to sale "pro gears" !

At least all these funky "amateurs" would stay at their place and not eat at the same restaurants as the real pros !


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In reply to vFunct, Apr 13, 2012

Why should anybody want a Porsche when the speed limit is only 75MPH and a Camry can get you from point A to point B just as easily.

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instead of a DSLR.

Live in huts instead of houses.
Drive Toyota Yaris or bicycles instead of 200+ HP vehicles.
Wear no-name clothing instead of anything with a label on it.
Eat no name food
Use Atom Netbooks only instead of Intel i7 processors in full blown desktops
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Ok just checked his profile. Claims to be from Canada so he is either from Newfoundland, stupid or pulling our leg.

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Because there are so many 'pros' out there delivering dull, unoriginal and derivative work that we hobbiests feel the need to try to take up the slack!

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