Any Experience with 70-200 VRII 2.8 and Nikon's 1.7x Teleconverter?

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Any Experience with 70-200 VRII 2.8 and Nikon's 1.7x Teleconverter?
Apr 12, 2012

Wondering if anyone had any experience with the 70-200 2.8 VRII and 1.7x combo. Particular how much image quality is affected.

I have never used a teleconverter before, and I have read they don't work as well for zooms as they do for prime lenses. I am aware of the light loss, and determined for my shooting I can make the stop and a half sacrifice. What I am curious about is how much image quality is degraded.

My goal is to attain 300mm of focal length for my D800, without having to pay way more than I can justify for my hobby.

My thought process is I can invest in a 24-70 and 70-200 2.8's. Have great general photography capabilities and for those times when I need the extra reach I can slap on my teleconverter to get the extra range.

I don't shoot at 300mm often enough to justify paying for, and lugging around a 300mm prime telephoto, but I shoot at that range just enough that I would miss not having a 300mm somewhere/how in my bag.
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In reply to Clockwerk, Apr 12, 2012

You can't use any teleconverter with the 24-70, just to be clear. I use the 2x TC with the 70-200 VRII and I'm generally happy with the results, the 1.7 is supposed to be much sharper.

A short review that specifically mention the 70-200:

http://www.pn-design.co.uk/review_blogs/nikon-tc17e.html

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In reply to Clockwerk, Apr 12, 2012

I have a 70-200 and a TC1.7.,

Cant tell much difference in PQ. Funny part is since I have had the TC1.7 I have hardly use it. Seems the need dissipates after the cash leaves your pocket.

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I use it and it's a good choice. It adds a bit to the size ofthe lens, you lose 1.5 stops, and there is a minor effect on IQ (bokeh as well as sharpness), but given the extra reach you get the downsides are minor. I think it is a much better option than cropping later.

That said I prefer the 1.4x.. Ok, you get less reach, but it is smaller and hardly noticeable in use and you only lose 1 stop. IQ is hardly affected. That's the one I tend to use.
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In reply to slimandy, Apr 12, 2012

+1 on the 1.4tc, I have the 70-200 and the 1.4tc, did not use it much with the VRI version of the lens, but with the VRII, it seems better and I use it a number of times each year.

Only downside I see is the bokeh suffers

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I use it and it's a good choice. It adds a bit to the size ofthe lens, you lose 1.5 stops, and there is a minor effect on IQ (bokeh as well as sharpness), but given the extra reach you get the downsides are minor. I think it is a much better option than cropping later.

That said I prefer the 1.4x.. Ok, you get less reach, but it is smaller and hardly noticeable in use and you only lose 1 stop. IQ is hardly affected. That's the one I tend to use.
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This question has come up before always brings a wide variety of opinions. In my experience, the tc-17 degraded the image of my 70-200 vr2 to an unacceptable degree so I sold it and got a tc-14 which is usable. There's more to lens performance than resolution. The 70-200 vr2 also has terrific color, contrast and "clarity" that are also noticeably degraded by teleconverters. I did many comparisons and preferred my 70-300 vr to the 70-200 vr2 / tc-17 combo for outdoor sports where I could stop the 70-300 down a little. The 70-200/tc-17 images did respond well to some Focus Magic deconvolution sharpening but I don't need another step in my workflow, especially since I can't figure out how to batch process using Focus Magic.

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Hrmmm... Interesting thoughts all around. I appreciate everyone's insight.

I own the 70-300mm currently and am always impressed with it's output on my cropped frame bodies. I haven't used it full frame yet. I was assuming, and maybe falsely, that the 70-200 even with the 1.7 image quality would still beat out the 70-300's.

I am now considering the 1.4 converter over the 1.7 as well. Shooting at 200 with the 1.4 gets me close to where I want to be, and if I need any more I can always throw my camera in DX mode or crop heavy in post.

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IQ is little affected except to the extent that the TC reduces the light by 1.5 stops to the AF sensors and with a f5.6 lens and the added magnification the odds of image blurring (camera and subject movement) is increased.

The 1.7x is right on the edge of being able to use AF with the 70-200mm lens. The 1.7TC is much better for autofocus and will work in situations where the same lens with the 2x TC fails completely.

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calson wrote:

The 1.7x is right on the edge of being able to use AF with the 70-200mm lens. The 1.7TC is much better for autofocus and will work in situations where the same lens with the 2x TC fails completely.

Not sure how true that is. I used the TC2 III at the Australian Open Tennis and had no AF issues at all. Sure it's a little slower, but it absolutely does not "fail completely"! Perfectly usable overall, no complaints from me.

It all comes down the lighting situation I suppose.

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In reply to Clockwerk, Apr 13, 2012

The 70~200 with a 1.4x t.c. clearly beats the 70~300 @ 280mm IMO. It is still a stop faster, focusses faster and has better IQ. I have not compared side by side but I suspect the 1.7x will also be better than the 70~300 @ 300mm. The advantage of the 70~300 is you get all that range in a relatively compact and convienient package. For me it wasn't enough and i sold mine.
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Hi,

I am hobbyist too... and I had 70-300mm VR which I sold it after getting 70-200mm VR I + 1.7x. For me the reason of selling was obviously to get some money back, and do not want to decide which one to select while going out and about. I (ymmv) did not find much of IQ problem. Here is the cropped shot of nuthatch with 1.7x and I think @340mm using D90 f/8 1/500 ISO 400 (I know size is too small to see the difference, at the moment I have this one available). I can post higher resolution when I get back home or another one

hope this helps
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Ray you seem to be right on the same page as I am. My plan was to sell the 70-300 as soon as my order would be placed.

It's a nice sharp lens, and even Moose Peterson (a personal photography hero) says it's a steal, but I just can't support owning it with the 70-200 as well. Also I plan to use the 70-200 more often without the teleconverter than I do with it, and it would beat the 70-300 hands down any day.

I'm certain now I'm going to purchase the 24-70 and 70-200 combo. Going to take a few months until I have the cash for them, but I know this is a very long range investment.

Now it's just between the 1.4 and 1.7 teleconverters...
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Re: Any Experience with 70-200 VRII 2.8 and Nikon's 1.7x Teleconverter?
In reply to Clockwerk, Apr 13, 2012

Don't blame ya...

After using 70-200mm VR I for few months... few weeks back spent more $$$ on 24-70mm and I like it. I am sure you will like it too.

I haven't used 1.4x, so don't know IQ difference between two teleconverters. But, so far I am happy with 1.7x and was looking for little more reach from 70-300mm.

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Ray you seem to be right on the same page as I am. My plan was to sell the 70-300 as soon as my order would be placed.

It's a nice sharp lens, and even Moose Peterson (a personal photography hero) says it's a steal, but I just can't support owning it with the 70-200 as well. Also I plan to use the 70-200 more often without the teleconverter than I do with it, and it would beat the 70-300 hands down any day.

I'm certain now I'm going to purchase the 24-70 and 70-200 combo. Going to take a few months until I have the cash for them, but I know this is a very long range investment.

Now it's just between the 1.4 and 1.7 teleconverters...
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AS promised... two more with 1.7x (little cropped)

woodpecker

another one nuthatch

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Just bought the 1.7 for my 70-200 f2.8 VR11. Wish I had bought the 1.4.

Did a comparison with my 70-300 consumer lens and there isn't enough difference to notice either wide open or at f8 on a D7000.

Very disappointed but I guess it will be useful for occasional use when I need a bit of extra reach since it doesn't take up any room in my bag.

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I have been using the Nikkor 70mm-200mm f2.8 VR I with the Nikkor TC-17 E for a couple of years now. Mostly trains in the 200-400 yard range. Not on any FX bodies or high res DX bodies. I have not seen distracting degradation but I tend to boost contrast and saturated to my raw files which seems pretty common any time you add glass between the subject and the sensor.

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In reply to Clockwerk, Apr 14, 2012

Clockwerk wrote:

Wondering if anyone had any experience with the 70-200 2.8 VRII and 1.7x combo. Particular how much image quality is affected.

I shot all of these two weekends ago with the 70-200 VRII + 1.7x TC combo. On the D4, I'm not noticing any image quality degradation with this combo.

http://brucebracken.zenfolio.com/p63851794

Hope these examples help.

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Clockwerk wrote:

Wondering if anyone had any experience with the 70-200 2.8 VRII and 1.7x combo. Particular how much image quality is affected.

I have never used a teleconverter before, and I have read they don't work as well for zooms as they do for prime lenses. I am aware of the light loss, and determined for my shooting I can make the stop and a half sacrifice. What I am curious about is how much image quality is degraded.

My goal is to attain 300mm of focal length for my D800, without having to pay way more than I can justify for my hobby.

My thought process is I can invest in a 24-70 and 70-200 2.8's. Have great general photography capabilities and for those times when I need the extra reach I can slap on my teleconverter to get the extra range.

I don't shoot at 300mm often enough to justify paying for, and lugging around a 300mm prime telephoto, but I shoot at that range just enough that I would miss not having a 300mm somewhere/how in my bag.
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I bought a 1.7 to use with my Nikon 70-200 on a D200 body.  The resulting quality of that combination was poor. I was planning to sell it on ebay when I got a D700 and on a lark tried the combination on the new camera. The quality on the D700 is very good. You can see very little compromise in quality compared to just the 70-200. With a slight contrast and saturation adjustment the compromise is even less. I have no idea why the difference on the two bodies is so great. I can tell you that with a 1.4 I can see no image issues with either the D200 or D700.

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I have tested it.  I don't actually use it but I can tell you that it works a whole lot better than on the original VR.

Also, the 1.7x works really well on the fixed lenses like the 200mm f2.0.

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