Drunk driving causing death

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Ubilam
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Drunk driving causing death
Apr 8, 2012

What justice would you put on a drunk driver involved and causing the death of other people?

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Ubilam wrote:

What justice would you put on a drunk driver involved and causing the death of other people?

I asked my wife Krissoula this question as I read it.

WE both agreed.

A minumum of 10 years in the slammer...plus, never being allowed to drive ever again.

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I think you and your wife are being too lenient. 25 years - no parole for each death I'd adjudicate.

Thanks.

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Ubilam wrote:

What justice would you put on a drunk driver involved and causing the death of other people?

I asked my wife Krissoula this question as I read it.

WE both agreed.

A minumum of 10 years in the slammer...plus, never being allowed to drive ever again.

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Traffic law for vehicular deaths is very lenient. Drunk or not. I don't agree with this at all, since many people who kill while driving are let off way too easy.

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If someone’s driving while intoxicated (drunk of drugs) and kills someone, to me it’s the same as if he/her killed someone with the gun/knife.

Driving drunk is a weapon, no different to other weapons.

Put him/her in the jail and forget where’s the key of the cell.

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a public stoning ...

... to death

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Ubilam wrote:

I think you and your wife are being too lenient. 25 years - no parole for each death I'd adjudicate.

Here is Canada life in prison is essentually 25 years for pre-meditated murder.

Whilst killing someone when driving drunk is both wreckless and totally irresponsible...it's isn't actually murder at all (but manslaughter) and it's not pre meditated either.

So hence our 10 year sentence suggestion.

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This happens all the time and the punishment is met out by a court and judges in line with the laws of the country concerned and the fixed penalties allowed.
What is the point of asking a bunch of camera heads this question?
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What justice would you put on a drunk driver involved and causing the death of other people?

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What is the point of asking a bunch of camera heads this question?
Jules

Some Camera heads may be Judges/Lawyers/Solicitors etc. There is no doubt that many driving offences in UK are dealt with far to leniently, very often those who are banned from driving did not hold a licence anyway so why should they care.

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Manslaughter with minimum 10 years jail term and a lifetime driving ban plus forfeiture of assets to help compensate victims family.
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Often the news reports someone arrested for DUI. It seems more and more it is not their first DUI arrest. The most arrests for DUI that I have read about is for a total of 13. To me, this illustrates poor legislators, judges and voters.

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There was a famous case of a guy with 40 DUI arrests who had been driving without license for years who ran over a family crossing the street somewhere in New York (I think).

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Often the news reports someone arrested for DUI. It seems more and more it is not their first DUI arrest. The most arrests for DUI that I have read about is for a total of 13. To me, this illustrates poor legislators, judges and voters.

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40 DUI arrests! No excuse for this what-so-ever.
Disgusting.

bikinchris wrote:

There was a famous case of a guy with 40 DUI arrests who had been driving without license for years who ran over a family crossing the street somewhere in New York (I think).

Bill Randall wrote:

Often the news reports someone arrested for DUI. It seems more and more it is not their first DUI arrest. The most arrests for DUI that I have read about is for a total of 13. To me, this illustrates poor legislators, judges and voters.

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Manslaughter with minimum 10 years jail term and a lifetime driving ban plus forfeiture of assets to help compensate victims family.

There's the easy right wing solution. Why not add in a good beating too Mental?

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carl english wrote:

JulesJ wrote:

What is the point of asking a bunch of camera heads this question?
Jules

Some Camera heads may be Judges/Lawyers/Solicitors etc. There is no doubt that many driving offences in UK are dealt with far to leniently, very often those who are banned from driving did not hold a licence anyway so why should they care.

This is true, nor insurance. These people seem difficult to deal with.
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…with an implication I totally disagree with.

You said "drunk or not" -- the usual implication is that being drunk somehow lessens the responsibility of the person. As far as I am concerned, if someone gets themselves drunk they have taken the decision to make themselves dangerous and they must bear full responsibility for that decision .

Drunk Driver has an "accident". In fact, it is less of an accident than Sober Driver, because Drunk Driver has chosen to take a drug that makes him/her less capable as a driver and therefore more likely to have an "accident".

To my mind, there's an element of premeditation in Drunk Driver's decision to get drunk.

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Traffic law for vehicular deaths is very lenient. Drunk or not. I don't agree with this at all, since many people who kill while driving are let off way too easy.

The exact number of years? I don’t know. But I am very interested in the notion that driving should not be regarded as a right, but rather as a privilege.

I have a strong feeling that we should be bringing in heavy punishments a long time before someone kills someone in a road incident. Rip their licenses off them for life for seriously reckless driving, impound and sell their cars.

And driving without a license? Serious jail time.

No warnings.

Regarding fines and stuff -- the Finns, I believe, have things worked out a lot better than we do in Australia. They have a graduated scale adjusted to the vehicle. You drive a luxury car and break the law? You have to pay a luxury level fine!

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…with an implication I totally disagree with.

You said "drunk or not" -- the usual implication is that being drunk somehow lessens the responsibility of the person. As far as I am concerned, if someone gets themselves drunk they have taken the decision to make themselves dangerous and they must bear full responsibility for that decision .

Agreed.

Drunk Driver has an "accident". In fact, it is less of an accident than Sober Driver, because Drunk Driver has chosen to take a drug that makes him/her less capable as a driver and therefore more likely to have an "accident".

To my mind, there's an element of premeditation in Drunk Driver's decision to get drunk.

Agreed.

bikinchris wrote:

Traffic law for vehicular deaths is very lenient. Drunk or not. I don't agree with this at all, since many people who kill while driving are let off way too easy.

The exact number of years? I don’t know. But I am very interested in the notion that driving should not be regarded as a right, but rather as a privilege.

If it was a right you would not need a drivers license and have to take a test. It is a privilege. Each adult has a right to apply for a drivers license.

I have a strong feeling that we should be bringing in heavy punishments a long time before someone kills someone in a road incident. Rip their licenses off them for life for seriously reckless driving, impound and sell their cars.

And driving without a license? Serious jail time.

Agreed.

No warnings.

Regarding fines and stuff -- the Finns, I believe, have things worked out a lot better than we do in Australia. They have a graduated scale adjusted to the vehicle. You drive a luxury car and break the law? You have to pay a luxury level fine!

I think it is a fair law. I wish we had it.

I like that!

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JulesJ wrote:

Mentor_1 wrote:

Manslaughter with minimum 10 years jail term and a lifetime driving ban plus forfeiture of assets to help compensate victims family.

There's the easy right wing solution. Why not add in a good beating too Mental?

What if Mentor's suggestion was implemented? What do you think the impact would be: More or less violations?

It seems to me your remark indicates part of the problem. Current penalties (in the USA) are not getting the message across to potential violators. It seems to me this is not rocket science - the penalty needs to be more severe. Perhaps not as severe as Mentor stated, but more severe than they currently are.

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JulesJ wrote:

Mentor_1 wrote:

Manslaughter with minimum 10 years jail term and a lifetime driving ban plus forfeiture of assets to help compensate victims family.

There's the easy right wing solution. Why not add in a good beating too Mental?

I'll be in your country noon Wed Jules, shall I bring you a good old fashioned Canadian drubbing, are you up to it, just a sampler for you and your pigeons. Perhaps it is you the Luton Muslims are protesting.

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If you had a loved one killed instantly by a habitually reckless driver who had been drinking* (but fled the scene, as did others in his car, so no blood tests could be taken in a timely manner), some of you would have a much different view. The individual who killed someone dear to us got a 25 year sentence but only served 18 months. About a decade later, he killed another woman in a reckless boating crash where, we were told, drinking was involved.

These folks should be locked up and the key thrown away. Dump the gain time and other pathetic legal leniencies.

btw, members of MADD (Mothers Against Driving Drunk) know these situations are not "accidents." They are crashes. Hopefully you will respect the pain these surviving family members suffer and use the correct term, and ask your local media to do the same.

( * ) testimony of the bartender who served him in the bar
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