Panasonic 12-35/2.8 - available end of June, £1,000

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Panasonic 12-35/2.8 - available end of June, £1,000
Apr 5, 2012

via 43rumors from Amateur Photographer (who has since removed the comments about the 12-35mm).

The good news is that we've only got a few more months to wait. The bad news is that the prices are going to be a step up compared to the 'high grade' line of 4/3 lenses. Heck, Canon's 24-70/2.8 is about the same price.

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mfbernstein wrote:

via 43rumors from Amateur Photographer (who has since removed the comments about the 12-35mm).

The good news is that we've only got a few more months to wait. The bad news is that the prices are going to be a step up compared to the 'high grade' line of 4/3 lenses. Heck, Canon's 24-70/2.8 is about the same price.

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But the other lenses are bigger

And what about the 35-100mm f/2.8 ?

I think they appear both at the same time

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mfbernstein wrote:

via 43rumors from Amateur Photographer (who has since removed the comments about the 12-35mm).

The good news is that we've only got a few more months to wait. The bad news is that the prices are going to be a step up compared to the 'high grade' line of 4/3 lenses. Heck, Canon's 24-70/2.8 is about the same price.

The proper comparison would be something like the Nikon 24-120/f4 or Canon 24-105.. even that will have a huge advantage in DOF.

For a direct comparison, the Panasonic's would have to be f1.4 constant aperture.

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It won't be proper comparison, canon f2.8 24-70 is right. This and olympus 60mm macro lens what i really want, but probably won't buy right away, when released. Both of them are rather high class and pricey.

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mfbernstein wrote:

via 43rumors from Amateur Photographer (who has since removed the comments about the 12-35mm).

The good news is that we've only got a few more months to wait. The bad news is that the prices are going to be a step up compared to the 'high grade' line of 4/3 lenses. Heck, Canon's 24-70/2.8 is about the same price.

The proper comparison would be something like the Nikon 24-120/f4 or Canon 24-105.. even that will have a huge advantage in DOF.

For a direct comparison, the Panasonic's would have to be f1.4 constant aperture.

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Or with the Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8

Xellz wrote:

It won't be proper comparison, canon f2.8 24-70 is right. This and olympus 60mm macro lens what i really want, but probably won't buy right away, when released. Both of them are rather high class and pricey.

Jogger wrote:

mfbernstein wrote:

via 43rumors from Amateur Photographer (who has since removed the comments about the 12-35mm).

The good news is that we've only got a few more months to wait. The bad news is that the prices are going to be a step up compared to the 'high grade' line of 4/3 lenses. Heck, Canon's 24-70/2.8 is about the same price.

The proper comparison would be something like the Nikon 24-120/f4 or Canon 24-105.. even that will have a huge advantage in DOF.

For a direct comparison, the Panasonic's would have to be f1.4 constant aperture.

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Or with the Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8

I guess if you stop it down to f5.6.. who does that?

Xellz wrote:

It won't be proper comparison, canon f2.8 24-70 is right. This and olympus 60mm macro lens what i really want, but probably won't buy right away, when released. Both of them are rather high class and pricey.

Jogger wrote:

mfbernstein wrote:

via 43rumors from Amateur Photographer (who has since removed the comments about the 12-35mm).

The good news is that we've only got a few more months to wait. The bad news is that the prices are going to be a step up compared to the 'high grade' line of 4/3 lenses. Heck, Canon's 24-70/2.8 is about the same price.

The proper comparison would be something like the Nikon 24-120/f4 or Canon 24-105.. even that will have a huge advantage in DOF.

For a direct comparison, the Panasonic's would have to be f1.4 constant aperture.

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It's one factor amongst many. For everything other than shallow DOF, F2.8=F2.8.

Shallow DOF is expensive to match on 4/3, true... though not as expensive as buying a FF setup...

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Will either/both have OIS? I hope not, but expect so.

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The only thing Jogger is obsessed with is point out the error of our ways....constantly. Best just ignored.

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TrapperJohn wrote:

It's one factor amongst many. For everything other than shallow DOF, F2.8=F2.8.

Shallow DOF is expensive to match on 4/3, true... though not as expensive as buying a FF setup...

Wrong. DoF can't be matched on 4/3. Even allowing a 1 stop difference, a 28-70/2.8 and FF camera can be had for significantly less than the price of a 14-35/2 lens.

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Jogger wrote:

mfbernstein wrote:

via 43rumors from Amateur Photographer (who has since removed the comments about the 12-35mm).

The good news is that we've only got a few more months to wait. The bad news is that the prices are going to be a step up compared to the 'high grade' line of 4/3 lenses. Heck, Canon's 24-70/2.8 is about the same price.

The proper comparison would be something like the Nikon 24-120/f4 or Canon 24-105.. even that will have a huge advantage in DOF.

For a direct comparison, the Panasonic's would have to be f1.4 constant aperture.

It is what it is. There will never be f/1.4 (or even f/2.0) zooms for m4/3. I (and most others) are okay with that. Would be nice if they didn't charge FF prices, though I seriously doubt the initially price-points will hold.

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mfbernstein wrote:

The good news is that we've only got a few more months to wait. The bad news is that the prices are going to be a step up compared to the 'high grade' line of 4/3 lenses. Heck, Canon's 24-70/2.8 is about the same price.

Yeah, this pricing is very disappointing and honestly surprising to me. The Four Thirds 14-54 f/2.8-3.5 mk ii is f/2.8 throughout this range and costs half as much - ugh.

For this price I'd expect f/2. What a stinker.

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I want the lens cause of the near 2 stops it has over the hit lens

When you're wide open (F4.something in the middle of the range), braced on a not so solid lamp post/parking sign post, ISO3200, wishing you had a tripod, every stop counts

Plus, low light video rocks

This took about 6 tries

No way an F2 and faster zoom is going to happen without a steep price tag

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mfbernstein wrote:

The good news is that we've only got a few more months to wait. The bad news is that the prices are going to be a step up compared to the 'high grade' line of 4/3 lenses. Heck, Canon's 24-70/2.8 is about the same price.

Yeah, this pricing is very disappointing and honestly surprising to me. The Four Thirds 14-54 f/2.8-3.5 mk ii is f/2.8 throughout this range and costs half as much - ugh.

Actually, I think the 14-54II hits f/3.2 around 35mm, so it's 1/3 stop slower. Still, point well taken.

The real limitation with the 14-54II is that the sluggish AF.

For this price I'd expect f/2. What a stinker.

I was hoping for something in the $700-800 range. My guess would be that the prices will drift down over time from their initial states. But probably not enough to reach those levels.

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mfbernstein wrote:

Wrong. DoF can't be matched on 4/3. Even allowing a 1 stop difference, a 28-70/2.8 and FF camera can be had for significantly less than the price of a 14-35/2 lens.

Maybe, but I'm guessing that the FF camera + 28-70/2.8 will be a much larger package then the MFT one.

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Sigh, not everyone cares so much about eq. of FF dof or is a razor thin dof maniac. I'm not interested when only some parts of face are in focus. Like when you focus on eyes and nose is already getting out of focus. F2.8 is F2.8, it gathers same amount of light and will be good alternative to primes for not so good lighting conditions with adequate dof control.

p.s. maybe this idea is new to you, but people do stop to f5.6 and even more. There are plenty of photography situations that requires as much as possible dof or at least when it's necessary to stop down.

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Aleo Veuliah wrote:

Or with the Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8

I guess if you stop it down to f5.6.. who does that?

Xellz wrote:

It won't be proper comparison, canon f2.8 24-70 is right. This and olympus 60mm macro lens what i really want, but probably won't buy right away, when released. Both of them are rather high class and pricey.

Jogger wrote:

mfbernstein wrote:

via 43rumors from Amateur Photographer (who has since removed the comments about the 12-35mm).

The good news is that we've only got a few more months to wait. The bad news is that the prices are going to be a step up compared to the 'high grade' line of 4/3 lenses. Heck, Canon's 24-70/2.8 is about the same price.

The proper comparison would be something like the Nikon 24-120/f4 or Canon 24-105.. even that will have a huge advantage in DOF.

For a direct comparison, the Panasonic's would have to be f1.4 constant aperture.

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Unless it got some amazing sharp contrasty optics seems overpriced to me.

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TrapperJohn wrote:

It's one factor amongst many. For everything other than shallow DOF, F2.8=F2.8.

Shallow DOF is expensive to match on 4/3, true... though not as expensive as buying a FF setup...

I am one of them, I am not DOF obsessed, in fact I prefer the DOF we get with Micro 4/3 with any focal

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You can always turn it off

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Will either/both have OIS? I hope not, but expect so.

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Jeremy_T wrote:

mfbernstein wrote:

The good news is that we've only got a few more months to wait. The bad news is that the prices are going to be a step up compared to the 'high grade' line of 4/3 lenses. Heck, Canon's 24-70/2.8 is about the same price.

Yeah, this pricing is very disappointing and honestly surprising to me. The Four Thirds 14-54 f/2.8-3.5 mk ii is f/2.8 throughout this range and costs half as much - ugh.

For this price I'd expect f/2. What a stinker.

The price is natural on this kind of lenses, I was not surprised

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