Nikon 300 2.8 lens

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Guno
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Nikon 300 2.8 lens
Apr 5, 2012

I have a bit of a luxury dilemma.

Since the first press release of the D800 i knew that i wanted it. BUT!
I searched my soul for what i really want to do. AND!
The big reason why bought my first camera is my burning passion for birds. SO!
I thought i might have more fun with a 300 f 2.8 + Tc20III! BUT!
I need some oppinions about the VR and VRII. OR!
Mabye there is another, better, tele-solution.

Im using a Nikon D300s.

THX!

Nikon D300S Nikon D800
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tundracamper
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In reply to Guno, Apr 5, 2012

So you like birds, which usually don't come up to you for a portrait, correct? Doesn't that mean that you really need lots of reach? Now, the D800 is a full-frame camera which reduces the reach of every lens you have.

If you put the 300/2.8 on a D300, it acts like a fast 450mm equivalent relative to what you would have on the D800 correct? Seems like a nob-rainer to me. Get the glass. (Note that I also have a D300).

If you photographed things that required wide angle, my answer would be different, of course.

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In reply to tundracamper, Apr 5, 2012

yeeep!

but the actual question was how the vrI compares to the vrII or if theres any other solution

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In reply to Guno, Apr 5, 2012

Guno wrote:

I have a bit of a luxury dilemma.

Since the first press release of the D800 i knew that i wanted it. BUT!
I searched my soul for what i really want to do. AND!
The big reason why bought my first camera is my burning passion for birds. SO!
I thought i might have more fun with a 300 f 2.8 + Tc20III! BUT!
I need some oppinions about the VR and VRII. OR!
Mabye there is another, better, tele-solution.

Im using a Nikon D300s.

THX!

My opinion is that if you are serious about birds you should keep the D300s and buy a 500mm f/4. Later, you might want to get a TC14 for even more reach. The 300mm is a great lens but not enough for bird photography, and adding a 2x TC will not give you the AF speed and IQ that the 500 will. The D800 will be an excellent camera for landscapes and portraiture, but it is still not known how well it will do in high ISO/low light/high shutter speed conditions that you often find yourself in when photographing birds. Either way, you should get a lens with VR. VR II is better but how much better is debatable. Just my opinion.
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In reply to bab99, Apr 5, 2012

bab99 wrote:

Guno wrote:

I have a bit of a luxury dilemma.

Since the first press release of the D800 i knew that i wanted it. BUT!
I searched my soul for what i really want to do. AND!
The big reason why bought my first camera is my burning passion for birds. SO!
I thought i might have more fun with a 300 f 2.8 + Tc20III! BUT!
I need some oppinions about the VR and VRII. OR!
Mabye there is another, better, tele-solution.

Im using a Nikon D300s.

THX!

My opinion is that if you are serious about birds you should keep the D300s and buy a 500mm f/4. Later, you might want to get a TC14 for even more reach. The 300mm is a great lens but not enough for bird photography, and adding a 2x TC will not give you the AF speed and IQ that the 500 will. The D800 will be an excellent camera for landscapes and portraiture, but it is still not known how well it will do in high ISO/low light/high shutter speed conditions that you often find yourself in when photographing birds. Either way, you should get a lens with VR. VR II is better but how much better is debatable. Just my opinion.
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Bruce

Thank alot for your thoughts! A 500mm would be fantastic but thats a bit expensive, after all im only 19yrs old! how much slower is the af with tc?

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In reply to bab99, Apr 5, 2012

I am using a cropped camera (d7000) with the Nikon 300 f2.8 vrII lens and the tc2.0III tc. This combination has worked out well for me, gives me 900mm. The d7000 is better at high iso than the d300. You lose two f stops with the tc 2.0 so you are working with an f stop of 5.6, better image at f8.0. In decent light the combination works well, not so good on dark cloudy days. The image quality is very high with this combination if careful with settings in the capture.

Larry

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larrywilson wrote:

I am using a cropped camera (d7000) with the Nikon 300 f2.8 vrII lens and the tc2.0III tc. This combination has worked out well for me, gives me 900mm. The d7000 is better at high iso than the d300. You lose two f stops with the tc 2.0 so you are working with an f stop of 5.6, better image at f8.0. In decent light the combination works well, not so good on dark cloudy days. The image quality is very high with this combination if careful with settings in the capture.

Larry

Yeah im aware of the f stops!

the 7000 is great for low light but the 300s takes better wildlife pics, in my opinon OFC! i know people like them both for different reasons!

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In reply to Guno, Apr 5, 2012

The d7000 has 16mp with low noise and the d300 has 12mp with less noise control. I know of some really good photographers that are using the d7000. The d7000 produces higher resolution for slightly sharper images. The noise on the d7000 is easier to reduce in post processing than the d300. I have had both cameras and that is why I am presently using the d7000.

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larrywilson wrote:

The d7000 has 16mp with low noise and the d300 has 12mp with less noise control. I know of some really good photographers that are using the d7000. The d7000 produces higher resolution for slightly sharper images. The noise on the d7000 is easier to reduce in post processing than the d300. I have had both cameras and that is why I am presently using the d7000.

Larry

i knew that you would respond as if you were insulted. we all have different oppinions.

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In reply to Guno, Apr 5, 2012

There's no optical difference between the VR and VRII, they're exactly the same. The only differences are (of course) the VR module and the AF switch. The VR has two AF modes, M/A and M, while the VRII has M/A, A/M and M. The difference is that in A/M mode the lens requires a larger movement of the focus ring before the autofocus disengages, this to avoid accidental overriding of the AF.

As for the performance difference between 300mm f/2.8 and 500VR, here are some test shots I did with the 1.4x TC:

Full size: http://jarno.smugmug.com/Other/misc/i-W8MTsGc/0/O/300-500-compare.jpg

The 500VR is sharper but the 300mm+TC still outperforms many lenses without TC. I haven't done any side-by-side testing for AF speed but I haven't noticed any sudden reduction in responsiveness or accuracy when used with the TC.

For birds you're probably better off with the 500mm but - and this is a very important but- that's probably one of the few things you'll use the 500 for. It's big, heavy and expensive so you'll probably only take it with you when you know in advance you're going to need it. The 300mm is far more flexible. This will give you some idea of the relative size of these lenses:

I'd keep the D300s since it's faster than the D800 and go for the 300mm.

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In reply to JC1306, Apr 5, 2012

Guno,

I wasn't insulted, just stated facts based on experience. It was based on experience and not just opinion, there is a heck of a lot of difference.

Larry

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Thanks alot for your help! very helpful!

Yeah i just discussed the limitations with the 500 even if it is a superb lens. The 300 can be handhold and its alot better for travelling.

thanks again!!

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In reply to tundracamper, Apr 5, 2012

Unless you find a DX sensor with 36 megapixels can't the OP just use the DX mode on the D800 and be happy?

From all I've read get the VRII -- one of Nikon's all-time best.

And the 300 2.8 is one of the most popular high-end pro portrait lenses so that's a bonus (assuming you can move that far back!).

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In reply to Guno, Apr 5, 2012

Guno wrote:

Thank alot for your thoughts! A 500mm would be fantastic but thats a bit expensive, after all im only 19yrs old! how much slower is the af with tc?

Oh to only have enough money for a D300s, a 300/2.8, and a TC20EIII at 19. How unlucky you are

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In reply to Guno, Apr 5, 2012

Consider this, the following combinations give you roughly the same amount of reach:

(1) D300 (or D7000) + 300mm f4 AF-S + 1.4x TC
(2) D800 + 300mm f2.8 + 2.0x TC

Option 1 is a fraction of the cost of option 2, and will produce images of comparable or perhaps even better sharpness and contrast.

If you really want to specialise in bird photography using an FX camera, you should be looking at a 500mm f4 or a 600mm f4. Unless you live in Florida, where the birds large, and tame.

If that's not within budget, use a DX camera. Even then, you'll need as much reach as possible. In your position, I would go for a D7000 with either: (i) the 300mm 2.8 plus both the 1.4x and 2.0x teleconverters, or (ii) a 500mm or 600mm prime. If budget is a problem, instead option (1) above is still a great set up.

Guno wrote:

I have a bit of a luxury dilemma.

Since the first press release of the D800 i knew that i wanted it. BUT!
I searched my soul for what i really want to do. AND!
The big reason why bought my first camera is my burning passion for birds. SO!
I thought i might have more fun with a 300 f 2.8 + Tc20III! BUT!
I need some oppinions about the VR and VRII. OR!
Mabye there is another, better, tele-solution.

Im using a Nikon D300s.

THX!

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But the D800 is 16Mp in crop mode so better than the D300/s
In reply to tundracamper, Apr 6, 2012

tundracamper wrote:

So you like birds, which usually don't come up to you for a portrait, correct? Doesn't that mean that you really need lots of reach? Now, the D800 is a full-frame camera which reduces the reach of every lens you have.

If you put the 300/2.8 on a D300, it acts like a fast 450mm equivalent relative to what you would have on the D800 correct? Seems like a nob-rainer to me. Get the glass. (Note that I also have a D300).

But even cropped back to DX, the D800 has more Mp's than the D300, so in actual fact, the D800 + 300mm f2.8 is also a 450mm equivalent. I will be getting the D800 to replace both my D700 and D7000 which I use specifically for birding.

If you photographed things that required wide angle, my answer would be different, of course.

With the D800 you have the best of both worlds.

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In reply to Guno, Apr 6, 2012

Guno wrote:

I have a bit of a luxury dilemma.

Since the first press release of the D800 i knew that i wanted it. BUT!
I searched my soul for what i really want to do. AND!
The big reason why bought my first camera is my burning passion for birds. SO!
I thought i might have more fun with a 300 f 2.8 + Tc20III! BUT!
I need some oppinions about the VR and VRII. OR!
Mabye there is another, better, tele-solution.

Im using a Nikon D300s.

All I can say is that I have the 300 f2.8 VRII and also use the 2x TCIII with it and I get superb results with both the D700 and D7000. This was my long lens set up for birding until I recently obtained the 500 f4 VR. I also us eht 1.4x TCII and 1.7x TCII. If you want, I can post samples.

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In reply to joejack951, Apr 6, 2012

joejack951 wrote:

Guno wrote:

Thank alot for your thoughts! A 500mm would be fantastic but thats a bit expensive, after all im only 19yrs old! how much slower is the af with tc?

Oh to only have enough money for a D300s, a 300/2.8, and a TC20EIII at 19. How unlucky you are

Hard work and a talet for saving:) I will have to wait a couple of months for this purchase though. trip to austalia and new zealand just sat be back almost 10000 bucks haha. expensive cameras and lenses, sure, but its the objects that matter! new zeeland is da bomb for photographers!

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Apollo18 wrote:

Consider this, the following combinations give you roughly the same amount of reach:

(1) D300 (or D7000) + 300mm f4 AF-S + 1.4x TC
(2) D800 + 300mm f2.8 + 2.0x TC

Option 1 is a fraction of the cost of option 2, and will produce images of comparable or perhaps even better sharpness and contrast.

If you really want to specialise in bird photography using an FX camera, you should be looking at a 500mm f4 or a 600mm f4. Unless you live in Florida, where the birds large, and tame.

If that's not within budget, use a DX camera. Even then, you'll need as much reach as possible. In your position, I would go for a D7000 with either: (i) the 300mm 2.8 plus both the 1.4x and 2.0x teleconverters, or (ii) a 500mm or 600mm prime. If budget is a problem, instead option (1) above is still a great set up.

Yeah i cant afford both the D800 and the 2.8! (at the moment). but a 300 2.8 and the converter/s is within the budget!

Guno wrote:

I have a bit of a luxury dilemma.

Since the first press release of the D800 i knew that i wanted it. BUT!
I searched my soul for what i really want to do. AND!
The big reason why bought my first camera is my burning passion for birds. SO!
I thought i might have more fun with a 300 f 2.8 + Tc20III! BUT!
I need some oppinions about the VR and VRII. OR!
Mabye there is another, better, tele-solution.

Im using a Nikon D300s.

THX!

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Guno
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Lance B wrote:

Guno wrote:

I have a bit of a luxury dilemma.

Since the first press release of the D800 i knew that i wanted it. BUT!
I searched my soul for what i really want to do. AND!
The big reason why bought my first camera is my burning passion for birds. SO!
I thought i might have more fun with a 300 f 2.8 + Tc20III! BUT!
I need some oppinions about the VR and VRII. OR!
Mabye there is another, better, tele-solution.

Im using a Nikon D300s.

All I can say is that I have the 300 f2.8 VRII and also use the 2x TCIII with it and I get superb results with both the D700 and D7000. This was my long lens set up for birding until I recently obtained the 500 f4 VR. I also us eht 1.4x TCII and 1.7x TCII. If you want, I can post samples.

What to about the AF speed with the converters!? is it fast enough to keep up with a bird in flight?

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