Fuji X-Pro1 users: Would you buy it again?

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DaniDR
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Fuji X-Pro1 users: Would you buy it again?
Mar 21, 2012

Hi!!

Just a quick question for users who already have the camera and have tested it a bit for now. Would you buy the same camera again or has your expectations been missed with the fuji?

I ask this because I'm still not 100% sure about ordering the camera. I'm travelling to the USA (im in the DR) in April but I'm afraid that I will not be able to find the camera in any stores to test it.

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Yeah, I'd absolutely buy it again. The image quality exceeded my already pretty high expectations, and it handles better than I expected to, overall. There have been a few quirks and niggles, but nothing anywhere near serious enough to give me pause.

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Yes, definitely!

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I sold all my canon gear including a 5d mark ii, held my breath and bought the xpro. I have absolutely no regrets. Maybe it depends on what type of photos you take, but I'd say the that what criticisms there have been of the camera are not a big deal for me. Manual focus isn't great, but the experience may improve with third party lenses. I am waiting for an adaptor to try the voigtlander 15mm on the camera. Also, the RAW software is abysmal–I'd hate to have use it if I were a pro. The image quality is fantastic, especially with the 35mm lens. The 18 is ok, but perhaps I wouldn't buy that lens again. And the camera is a joy to use and carry around all day.

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In reply to Brett Goodhew, Mar 21, 2012

Actually the X-pro1 cannot replace any of my camera , expecially considering the price.

If the firmware will be update and
1) the freezing of the scene in the EVF during focusing resolved ,
2) the inconsistent reproduction of focus resolved,

3) the capability to chose if we want the shutter activation in or out of focus resolved

YES. Even if it's "tick-tick-tick" is disturbing in quiet enviroment.

but for now it is good (I mean very, very good) only for static subjects.

If you want it thinking of street photograpy ypu are going to suffer with this autofocus and EVF behavior
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Alberto 1290 wrote:

but for now it is good (I mean very, very good) only for static subjects.

If you want it thinking of street photograpy ypu are going to suffer with this autofocus and EVF behavior

I strongly disagree on both counts. I've had no trouble shooting moving subjects with it. But then I don't use the EVF, and I prefocus rather than mashing through to focus.

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Yes, I would buy two.

Also, i'm not entirely satisfied with its performance as a whole. But generally, it's fantastic, the best jpegs i have ever seen, and nothing about how it performs STOPS me from wanting to pick it up and use it about every 2 min's. That tells me more about how I feel about it than anything else.

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I'm still thinking. I really would like to try the camera before buying but I'm unsure if It will be available in shops during my trip to the USA. In your respective countries, how has been the availability of this camera in shops once it was released?

I've been waiting for this type of camera for a long time. I have a GF1 but I haven't used it as much I would like to, mainly because of poor IQ/Iso/DR, and no viewfinder. My current position is that I had two Nikon bodies (d300/d700), I sold the D300 as it wasn't getting much use, and want to sell also the GF1 to add in the Xpro1.

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...to my knowledge, only one store got it on March 14. There are still a couple of bodies left, but they're all out of lenses. They got enough to meet preorders, but the lenses sold out in about three or four days.

[ http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/38979/dfhmf/Fujifilm-X-Pro1-mikrojarjestelmakamera-runko ]

AFAIK the other stores haven't gotten any shipments in yet.

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Haha, I don't have one, but $2300+ is not really an impulsive buy. I bet everybody who bought so early for that money knew exactly what they wanted and what to expect, (and they got it for sure worth their money)

DaniDR wrote:

Hi!!

Just a quick question for users who already have the camera and have tested it a bit for now. Would you buy the same camera again or has your expectations been missed with the fuji?

I ask this because I'm still not 100% sure about ordering the camera. I'm travelling to the USA (im in the DR) in April but I'm afraid that I will not be able to find the camera in any stores to test it.

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In reply to DaniDR, Mar 22, 2012

I sold a 300mm 2.8 VR Nikkor to buy this system.

I have no regrets at all - I know which will get most use.

Yes, as Petteri says, it has quirks and as an Aspergers person I find the chattering aperture very annoying indeed.

Nevertheless, after one day of use, I believe it will do exactly what I hoped it will do - give me a viable option to carrying a ton of DSLR gear that will produce saleable images.

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Yep, I would.

I just sold my NEX 5N kit and 5DmkII body (keeping the L lenses) and so the X-Pro1 is my 'main' camera now.

It definitely has some quirks that you have to work around but I believe its been mentioned before, but the proof in the pudding is that it makes you want to go out and shoot, as its really enjoyable to shoot with.

I guess a camera that can do that has served its purpose.
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If you "pre-focus" you cannot make real "street-photography".

Different if you say that you go on fixed pre-focus, with the hyperfocale set to have everything in an acceptable focus zone like we made in photojournalism in the 70' (the classic fotoreporter "blow-up style").
But so, we even don't speak about autofocus....

On a moving subject like for example a kid it's quite impossible to have a high rate of well focused photo, first because the AF of the X-Pro1 it's enough slow, second because sometimes refused to focus properly, third (and I mean only in EVF) the viewfinder freeze the scene at focusing making impossible to follow the subject.

Try to understand what I mean :

  • the camera is beautiful (it can be sometimes important, too)

  • the sensor seems great (it needs time to develop a raw file correctly and we only have silkypix at the moment to deep understand)

  • the controls on the camera are pleasant to use (first the +-2EV)

  • the lens (I only have the 35mm) good (again the judgment need more time)

but the problems are there, and we can't ignore them.

What do you think, for example, of a camera like this, with its high price, regarding the absence of the diopter correction ?
Oh yes it will protrude too much, so .. etc etc.

Instead , many of us have to buy a little lens (difficult to find too) of the correct diopter to replace the original and correct adequately.

And what do you think of the freeze scene in the viewfinder at focusing in EVF ?

My old G1 did'nt , my Nex did'nt (the LCD), my V1 did'nt... cameras more than half the price of X-Pro1... ! What are you telling me : don't use EVF ?

And what do you think when at theater the "the guy in the chair next to you" will asks you to stop taking photographs because of it's tick-tick-tick ?

If this was the first camera of a new brand or a "parvenue" brand (like Panasonic for example ) I will be more acquiescent. But this comes from Fuji, with a BIG past in photography (G690...GA645 ... GX680 ... )

I'm not completely rejecting what can be , under certain aspect, a lovely camera. But I will not defend it against the evidence. That's all.
kind regards to everyone
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In reply to Alberto 1290, Mar 22, 2012

Alberto, your experience of the camera is clearly very different from mine. We both appear to be shooting similar subjects, and I'm having no trouble with it at all, not for moving subjects, nor static ones. The limitations and quirks that you find to be showstoppers, I find to be relatively unimportant.

I would surmise that the camera is not suitable for your way of taking pictures. All I'm sayin' is that it's a mistake to generalize from that in the way you're doing—e.g. by suggesting that you "can't do street photography" with it, or that it's "completely unsuitable" for moving subjects.

It is not a camera for everybody, and you're clearly not among the group of people for whom it does work.

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Petteri, with all my respect (believe me please) the sentence " It is not a camera for everybody, and you're clearly not among the group of people for whom it does work." it's too a " mistake to generalize from that in the way you're doing" . Too.
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In reply to Alberto 1290, Mar 22, 2012

I wasn't generalizing. I've been reading your comments, and assessing whether I think the X-Pro 1 is suitable for you or not. It's pretty clear it's not:

  • You shoot off the EVF.

  • You capture action with an AF technique that relies on extremely fast AF.

  • You shoot in extremely silent conditions where the aperture chatter (but somehow not the AF noise or shutter noise?) becomes an issue.

  • You have poor eyesight but shoot without your glasses, so the lack of diopter adjustment on the viewfinder becomes an issue.

Did I miss anything? How am I generalizing? I thought I was looking at a very specific case here. Seriously, Alberto, I'm pretty sure you'd be a lot happier with a µ43—it sounds like the OM-D is made for exactly your type of photographer.

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Petteri, I have not the time for a sterile dispute.
My time is for enjoying photography not for a "fan's debate".

You try to confute my findings with a personal "it's not for you" statement.

No one here is interested in what you can think of what camera is good or not for other people.

On the contrary everyone will want to know the facts, like the capability of the camera to focus properly, if the controls are easy etc. etc.

We did not review a camera basing on the fact that the photographer has only one eye and a wooden leg instead of other habits and physical differences.
People will find if I tell the truth or not.
That, for me, close the dispute.
anyway, with my respect
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In reply to Alberto 1290, Mar 22, 2012

Alberto, one more time: I am taking issue with your generalizations, not your experiences. Let me clarify:

"The AF on the X-Pro 1 is not as good as on the Panasonic G3 or the OM-D."

This is a statement of fact. I do not dispute it. That would be silly.

"This makes the X-Pro 1 totally unsuitable for photography of moving subjects."

This is an assessment of the significance of that fact. I do disagree with this statement, based on my own experience of photographing moving subjects with it.

"The EVF freezes momentarily when focusing." Fact.

"This makes it totally unsuitable for photographing action." Assessment, and again in my opinion a flawed one.

See the difference?

No one here is interested in what you can think of what camera is good or not for other people.

Actually, you're mistaken about that. I blogged about this, and got a quite a lot of hits on that blog post; there's also a good bit of discussion about it at various forums I didn't even know about.

http://primejunta.blogspot.com/2012/03/is-x-pro-1-for-you.html

On the contrary everyone will want to know the facts, like the capability of the camera to focus properly, if the controls are easy etc. etc.

These are not facts, Alberto. They're assessments and comparisons. That's quite different.

We did not review a camera basing on the fact that the photographer has only one eye and a wooden leg instead of other habits and physical differences.

No, we do not. We do, however, review cameras based on our perception of their intended purpose, and their intended primary modes of operation. The X-Pro 1's distinguishing characteristic is the hybrid viewfinder. This fact changes the significance of the fact of the momentary EVF freeze during focusing.

If the EVF + LCD were the only—or even the primary—viewfinders on the X-Pro 1, it would be a somewhat annoying limitation. However, the EVF + LCD are secondary modes of operation for the X-Pro 1, which turn that fact into either a minor annoyance or completely unimportant—for people who only shoot moving subjects through the OVF.

People will find if I tell the truth or not.

I have no doubt you're telling the truth. In fact, I've pointed out most of the facts regarding the X-Pro 1 myself, both here and on my blog.

However, I disagree with your assessment of the significance of these facts, because I believe your perspective is too narrow, and does not consider the intended use and primary modes of operation of the camera.

That, for me, close the dispute.

I wasn't aware we were having a dispute, or even a debate. I thought this was a polite discussion between photographers. I apologize if I've come across as hostile; that is not my intention.

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Why buy it again when you already bought it once?
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