5D MkII looks even better in LR4...

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Guy Lerner
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5D MkII looks even better in LR4...
Mar 12, 2012

Hi all,

Just been editing my latest wedding with Lightroom 4, and it never ceases to amaze me how quickly software is developing that helps me get the most out of my RAW files. I don't know what magic juice Adobe is using but right off the bat my 5D2 files are looking cleaner with more DR, and I have more control over how I'm developing them.

Unlike some photographers, I love the post-production stage. That's really where the "magic" happens with a photograph, and where - as long as you have the clean RAW data to work with - photos can turn into art. I'm not for a second dismissing the importance of capturing "the moment", but once it's captured, it's the software that brings it to life.

That's the way I work anyway, so it's always pleasing to see the next generation of software introduce incremental but noticeable improvements to my RAW workflow and the quality of my finished work. Combined with better clean data and a faster camera in the MkIII, I'm really excited about what the next few years of shooting holds for me and my clients!

Would love to hear your own thoughts on this.

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In reply to Guy Lerner, Mar 12, 2012

I can only agree - I do try to get the shot right "in-camera" but LR4 is an essential tool to wring the most out of any image file (in my experience - I know there are other opinions )

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agree about LR4. Algo appears to 'better' set the white and black points whilst retaining higlhights before you even start fiddling...

different to LR3 at first and only just beginning to get the best out of it...

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I was wondering myself why suddenly all the files I thought would have clipped highlights are somehow very conservative, and this must be it. Love the extra control it gives me, and the leeway to stretch out on either side of the histogram. It also makes the noise of the 5DII at higher ISOs seem more controlled, and the noise reduction algorithms are much, much stronger compared to LR3.

If the MkIII can retain enough detail at high ISOs, I don't think noise will be a problem, even at 5-figure ISO levels. That's where good lenses come in, but that's another topic...

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agree about LR4. Algo appears to 'better' set the white and black points whilst retaining higlhights before you even start fiddling...

different to LR3 at first and only just beginning to get the best out of it...

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In reply to Guy Lerner, Mar 12, 2012

I can do a lot in PP (LR, CS5 etc.) but do not consider myself an expert. However, I also find that LR4 works better with the 5Dii files than LR3.

I am unsure if this is because of the updated processing engine, the changed way the tools work or some improvement in the handling of 5Dii-files. But it works!

Let me add that I have been surprised how different the updated process is with the old files (due to the changes made in the tools - updated all existing RAW files is a no-go for me for sure).

Guy Lerner wrote:

Hi all,

Just been editing my latest wedding with Lightroom 4, and it never ceases to amaze me how quickly software is developing that helps me get the most out of my RAW files. I don't know what magic juice Adobe is using but right off the bat my 5D2 files are looking cleaner with more DR, and I have more control over how I'm developing them.

Unlike some photographers, I love the post-production stage. That's really where the "magic" happens with a photograph, and where - as long as you have the clean RAW data to work with - photos can turn into art. I'm not for a second dismissing the importance of capturing "the moment", but once it's captured, it's the software that brings it to life.

That's the way I work anyway, so it's always pleasing to see the next generation of software introduce incremental but noticeable improvements to my RAW workflow and the quality of my finished work. Combined with better clean data and a faster camera in the MkIII, I'm really excited about what the next few years of shooting holds for me and my clients!

Would love to hear your own thoughts on this.

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I'm looking forward to CS6.

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yes the highlight control was done on purpose.

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I'm not a Lightroom guy - though I've tried, I'm still a Photoshop fan - but others are reporting similar things. William Neil recently posted some very early digital images of his that he had not previously shared because he wasn't happy with the results - but after reprocessing in LR4 he felt that they were good enough to share.

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Guy Lerner wrote:

Hi all,

Just been editing my latest wedding with Lightroom 4, and it never ceases to amaze me how quickly software is developing that helps me get the most out of my RAW files. I don't know what magic juice Adobe is using but right off the bat my 5D2 files are looking cleaner with more DR, and I have more control over how I'm developing them.

Unlike some photographers, I love the post-production stage. That's really where the "magic" happens with a photograph, and where - as long as you have the clean RAW data to work with - photos can turn into art. I'm not for a second dismissing the importance of capturing "the moment", but once it's captured, it's the software that brings it to life.

That's the way I work anyway, so it's always pleasing to see the next generation of software introduce incremental but noticeable improvements to my RAW workflow and the quality of my finished work. Combined with better clean data and a faster camera in the MkIII, I'm really excited about what the next few years of shooting holds for me and my clients!

Would love to hear your own thoughts on this.

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Is anyone reading this who has experience with DxO, compared to LR4 ?

I have DPP and DxO in use for processing my Canon CR2 files, but wondered if there is a tool available to render better colors - DxO (6.x) is awful by comparison.

DxO has certain strengths: NR, a very powerful dust removal tool & angular correction tool, but the colors are beyond my expectations.

Also, I don't want too many raw converters installed in a PC with limited lifespan, that is my main gripe. It's all about investment and gain.

Some ideas ?

Thank You in advance,

Cheers, Martin

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good point, new software can sometimes do more for image quality (including better quality for ones old files) than an expensive hardware upgrade

I'm using an older Photoshop CS version myself, because I use a low power Atom 330 system. But the new Lightroom 4 looks very attractive, guess it's time to upgrade my computer system...

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how is the processing speed of LR4? just read some complaints about out. can anyone confirm this?

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In reply to Guy Lerner, Mar 12, 2012

The new shadow & highlights sliders are so much better than the old fill light slider... just seems a lot less destructive to the image quality.

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In reply to baran, Mar 12, 2012

Speed seems the same as LR3 in my Win7-64 machine.

As others have already pointed out the W & B point settings are much improved in "Process 2012." It's most noticeable in the initial highlight rendering.

Fine structures and NR also seem to be better and the Detail slider has a much stronger effect now and acts in a similar way to some 3rd party (e.g. Nik) "Local contrast" filters...useful in some cases, not so much in others.

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how is the processing speed of LR4? just read some complaints about out. can anyone confirm this?

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Me neither. I could never warm up to LR however up until recently too was difficult to knick me off my DPP horse. I really starting to enjoy using ACR. The NR is far better than DPP and it offers more functions. I wish Canon put as much work into DPP as Adobe does. They have come a long way in the last few years.

gdanmitchell wrote:

I'm not a Lightroom guy - though I've tried, I'm still a Photoshop fan - but others are reporting similar things. William Neil recently posted some very early digital images of his that he had not previously shared because he wasn't happy with the results - but after reprocessing in LR4 he felt that they were good enough to share.

Dan

Guy Lerner wrote:

Hi all,

Just been editing my latest wedding with Lightroom 4, and it never ceases to amaze me how quickly software is developing that helps me get the most out of my RAW files. I don't know what magic juice Adobe is using but right off the bat my 5D2 files are looking cleaner with more DR, and I have more control over how I'm developing them.

Unlike some photographers, I love the post-production stage. That's really where the "magic" happens with a photograph, and where - as long as you have the clean RAW data to work with - photos can turn into art. I'm not for a second dismissing the importance of capturing "the moment", but once it's captured, it's the software that brings it to life.

That's the way I work anyway, so it's always pleasing to see the next generation of software introduce incremental but noticeable improvements to my RAW workflow and the quality of my finished work. Combined with better clean data and a faster camera in the MkIII, I'm really excited about what the next few years of shooting holds for me and my clients!

Would love to hear your own thoughts on this.

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DeMaatin wrote:

Is anyone reading this who has experience with DxO, compared to LR4 ?

I have DPP and DxO in use for processing my Canon CR2 files, but wondered if there is a tool available to render better colors - DxO (6.x) is awful by comparison.

DxO has certain strengths: NR, a very powerful dust removal tool & angular correction tool, but the colors are beyond my expectations.

Also, I don't want too many raw converters installed in a PC with limited lifespan, that is my main gripe. It's all about investment and gain.

Some ideas ?

Thank You in advance

Cheers, Martin

The only thing I have never liked about ACR/LR are the skin tones. I have always like DPP better. I was editing a wedding a month ago, tried ACR but went back to DPP. A few weeks later I came across a thread where a person imported Canon picture styles and set it to Landscape. The settings

1. Landscape
2.Clarity -10
3. Vibrance -10 to 25
4. Saturation 0

This is using landscape with Vibrance - 23. Might be a little cool for some but I found it a very nice look.

Option B is

1. Camera faithful
2. -10 clarity
3. 10 vibrance
4. -10 saturation

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Zee Char wrote:

Me neither. I could never warm up to LR however up until recently too was difficult to knick me off my DPP horse. I really starting to enjoy using ACR. The NR is far better than DPP and it offers more functions. I wish Canon put as much work into DPP as Adobe does. They have come a long way in the last few years.

The current buzz around the new version of DPP looks promising, scan down to the comments about the Digital Lens Optimizer (DLO) for details. And it supports EOS bodies from the 30D forward.

http://www.arihazeghiphotography.com/AH_CW_interview/

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Again; The best camera is the best photographer beside the the best lens. NOT bla, bla bla...+...bla bla.
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Is it possible that Adobe could create a better raw converter for the 5D2 than DPP? Could LR4 RAWs look better than DPP?

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Absolutely. LR3 is already better than DPP, and LR4 seems to have upped the bar by a fair bit. So suddenly the 5D2 looks even better, and the 5D3, well, we can only hope the trend continues.

Remember RAW data is just that, data. It's up to the software to extract the best possible image from that data.

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