Will I miss my Canon lenses on D800?

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CalBoy87
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Will I miss my Canon lenses on D800?
Mar 11, 2012

Hi. Considering move from Canon. I think D800 is better for me than 5DMKIII and lower priced as well. However I got very nice collection of lenses - 24L, 50L, 85L, 135L, 200L and 100L Macro. I am planning to look for someone to swap the lenses with, selling them will cost me too much money. So, before I go any farther I would like to hear opinion from those who used both Nikon and Canon lenses - does Nikon have equivalent lenses to my setup with Canon-are they better, same, worse? Only way I am leaving Canon is to be able to swap lenses with someone going the other way, but before I commit I want to know, what lens should I be looking for. I am only interested in primes and I never used Nikon before. Thank you for any help from those who know about both Canon and Nikon.

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you will miss your 85L, 135L, 200L if you moved to Nikon. Except 36MP is higher than 22MP, I don't see much advantage for you to make the change.

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CalBoy87 wrote:

Hi. Considering move from Canon. I think D800 is better for me than 5DMKIII and lower priced as well. However I got very nice collection of lenses - 24L, 50L, 85L, 135L, 200L and 100L Macro.

You are so heavily invested in Canon L lenses. Makes no sense to me why you are considering the swap. If you shoot a lot with your 50mm and 85mm, there are no comparable Nikkor AF-S lenses.

24/1.4L = 24/1.4G
50/1.2L = no Nikkor AF-S equivalent (AI-S 50/1.2 MF lens)
85/1.2L = no Nikkor AF-S equivalent
135/2L = 135/2D DC (not AF-S)
200/2L = 200/2G
100/2.8L = 105/2.8G

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CalBoy87 wrote:

Hi. Considering move from Canon. I think D800 is better for me than 5DMKIII and lower priced as well. However I got very nice collection of lenses - 24L, 50L, 85L, 135L, 200L and 100L Macro.

You are so heavily invested in Canon L lenses. Makes no sense to me why you are considering the swap. If you shoot a lot with your 50mm and 85mm, there are no comparable Nikkor AF-S lenses.

24/1.4L = 24/1.4G
50/1.2L = no Nikkor AF-S equivalent (AI-S 50/1.2 MF lens)
85/1.2L = no Nikkor AF-S equivalent
135/2L = 135/2D DC (not AF-S)
200/2L = 200/2G
100/2.8L = 105/2.8G

Except the 85/1.2 is really slow focusing, and the 85/1.4G is much faster. The 1.2 is mostly just vanity anyway

Though I agree about the 50. A high end 50 would be great

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reginalddwight wrote:

CalBoy87 wrote:

Hi. Considering move from Canon. I think D800 is better for me than 5DMKIII and lower priced as well. However I got very nice collection of lenses - 24L, 50L, 85L, 135L, 200L and 100L Macro.

You are so heavily invested in Canon L lenses. Makes no sense to me why you are considering the swap. If you shoot a lot with your 50mm and 85mm, there are no comparable Nikkor AF-S lenses.

I agree on the 50 mm, and on the overall issue of switching systems - unless there are more compelling reasons then just the difference between 22 and 36 MP and the price, seem like a lot of trouble for little gain.

85/1.2L = no Nikkor AF-S equivalent

The Nikon AF-S 85/1.4 is every bit as good as the Canon 85/1.2 L, and smaller, lighter plus faster focusing to boot. I am aware there is a lot of semi-religious hyperbole around the 85/1.2 L, but in real life the differences in image quality are neglible.

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Donald Chin wrote:

you will miss your 85L, 135L, 200L if you moved to Nikon. Except 36MP is higher than 22MP, I don't see much advantage for you to make the change.

If you need f/1.2 on the 85mm then there is no Nikon equivalent, otherwise the 85 1.4G is equal to the Canon.

The Nikon 135 f/2 DC is a beautiful portrait lens especially when you know how to use the defocus control and how it renders skin tones and bokeh is very special, however if we're looking at test charts perhaps the Canon would have the edge. As for the 200 f/2, I haven't seen a better lens – the Nikon is easily on par with the Canon.

On the wide end Canon has the 17mm TS-E II and Nikon has the 14-24 2.8. Since the D3, Nikon has filled most of the gaps in the range with some excellent primes.

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CalBoy87 wrote:

Hi. Considering move from Canon. I think D800 is better for me than 5DMKIII and lower priced as well. However I got very nice collection of lenses - 24L, 50L, 85L, 135L, 200L and 100L Macro.

I would think that through very carefully - as you yourself point out you already have a very nice system and even though I agree the D800 seem like a more interesting camera overall ... The 5D Mk3 will be no slouch either. And Canon might have something more D800-like in their pipeline as well.

Now, you might have thorught this through a lot and if so, lets look at the specifics:

I am planning to look for someone to swap the lenses with, selling them will cost me too much money. So, before I go any farther I would like to hear opinion from those who used both Nikon and Canon lenses - does Nikon have equivalent lenses to my setup with Canon-are they better, same, worse? Only way I am leaving Canon is to be able to swap lenses with someone going the other way, but before I commit I want to know, what lens should I be looking for. I am only interested in primes and I never used Nikon before. Thank you for any help from those who know about both Canon and Nikon.

There are some direct equivalents, and some cases where you have different options, for better or for worse.

  • 24L - Nikon AF-S 24/1.4, and as an added bonus the quite amazing 14-24/2.8

  • 50L - no modern counterpart in Nikons lineup

  • 85L - Nikon AF-S 85/1.4 (and forget all those arguing about thr difference to f1.2 - that difference is largely neglibe anyway and you get a smaller, lighter and faster focusing lens instead

  • 135L - no exact counterpart, only the ageing AF 135/2 DC, a nice lens, but getting old

  • 200L - Nikon AF-S 200/2

  • 100L Macro - no exact Nikon counterpart I would argue, you have the very good AF-S Micro 105/2.8, the old AF 105/2 DC

I would rather ask what kind of shooting which is most important to you, and then make Nikon lens recommendations from that. Tou should choose Nikon lenses from how you will shoot, not from what lenses Canon has in their lineup

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In reply to reginalddwight, Mar 11, 2012

The way I see it, once I decide to go with it, I will look for some people who are going opposite way. Price wise, both 24 and 85 are very similar priced together, as well as macro 100 and 105. 50L is fine lens, but is not a must have lens for me, I would be happy with sharp F1.4 instead. 135L and 200L are very nice and I am looking for some opinions on Nikon 135.2 D and 200/4. I don't think I wold take any financial hit, considering D800 is cheaper and I would gain some extra money selling Canon flash as well. This is still an infant idea, before I proceed any farther I want to hear opinion of those who made similar switch before. As for why I think D800 is better, well I really like Canon, but I was expecting something better after 3 years of progress. Meantime D800 is better bang for buck to me. As I am getting older, this will be probably my last DSLR, so at this point D800 looks much more promising then 5DMKIII.

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reginalddwight wrote:

CalBoy87 wrote:

Hi. Considering move from Canon. I think D800 is better for me than 5DMKIII and lower priced as well. However I got very nice collection of lenses - 24L, 50L, 85L, 135L, 200L and 100L Macro.

You are so heavily invested in Canon L lenses. Makes no sense to me why you are considering the swap. If you shoot a lot with your 50mm and 85mm, there are no comparable Nikkor AF-S lenses.

24/1.4L = 24/1.4G
50/1.2L = no Nikkor AF-S equivalent (AI-S 50/1.2 MF lens)
85/1.2L = no Nikkor AF-S equivalent
135/2L = 135/2D DC (not AF-S)
200/2L = 200/2G
100/2.8L = 105/2.8G

Except the 85/1.2 is really slow focusing, and the 85/1.4G is much faster. The 1.2 is mostly just vanity anyway

Though I agree about the 50. A high end 50 would be great

Everytime I see a review of the 50 f/1.2L it is basically panned. Other than it being very expensive and the cachet of having f/1.2, what's the advantage.

http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/472-canon_50_12_5d

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1000/cat/10

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/zproducts/canon50f12/canon50f12_jt.htm

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Here is how I feel about my Canon setup:

24/1.4 - great lens, sharp wide open, perfect for landscapes and group portraits in low light, would like to have something very similar in Nikon 24G

50/1.2 - this is the lens I can live without, is softer wide open than 85/1.2, great build, but EF50/1.4 does almost all of it for much less, so I think 50G in Nikon would do just fine

85/1.2 - probably best prime lens in Canon lineup, extremely sharp, well build, only beef is very slow focusing, wondering how sharp is 85/1.4G in Nikon wide open, if is good that's all fine

135/2 - another nice lens, sharp and fast to focus, I don't see anything in Nikon at this time

200/2.8 - similar to 135L, sharp and fast to focus, how does it stack against Nikon 200/4 ?

I am not professional, photography is pure fun for me. I am not after one or even two kind of shots. I just take camera, slap one of the lenses on it and off I go. I sometimes take Macro to the arboretum or 200 to soccer game, that's all.

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In reply to CalBoy87, Mar 11, 2012

I'm happy with the Canon release of the 5d apart from the inflated price and would suggest that the op stay within the Canon system - no need to switch.

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This site gives a good start in comparing lenses: http://www.photozone.de/
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I am not complaining about Canon system, I am happy with 5DMkII and the set I have. That's said, release of Camera with 1 MP bigger sensor after 3 years leave me wondering where is Canon going. I choose Canon for its lenses, lighter and cheaper than Nikon when I was getting into photography. Now, Canon is as expensive or more then Nikon. Maybe Canon will have high MP camera soon, but at what price point?

Again, only way I do whole deal is if I find somebody to swap lenses, selling Canon and buying Nikon is out of question at this time, as it would involve severe financial loss

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I check the lenses sharpness using this site:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx
Here are my observations:
24L vs. 24G is a toss, both are sharp

50L vs. 50G Canon is a bit better both at 1.4 and 2.0. None of them is perfect though

85L vs 85G again Canon is bit sharper than Nikon, both are sharp enough for me though

100L vs 105 Micro, similar to 85's Canon is tad sharper, both very good even wide open
200L/2.8 vs. 200/4D Canon is definitely sharper here, both are very good
135L vs 135D similar to 200, Canon is hand down better

Did I answer my own question? Nor really. As this side is mostly devoted to Canon, I don't know how that may influence results of the lens test. I would much rather hear opinion of those who used those lenses in the field, rather than looking at bunch of lines trying to figure out which one looks better to me.

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CalBoy87 wrote:

I check the lenses sharpness using this site:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx

Looked at the site and could not find any information on how the shots are made.

Shot on film and scanned?

Shot digital?

  • On what cameras?

  • JPEG or RAW? What settings, converters etc.

Canon has typically more aggressive in Camera sharpening if RAW how sharpened or not. Different cameras different AA-filters different sharpning routines required et.

Without knowing the above the comparisons are quite useless.

Photozone uses standardized IImatest methods and resulst on the same cameras are comparable. Comparisons accross platforms with close enough pixelamount and same format are also well comparable.

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CalBoy87 wrote:

I check the lenses sharpness using this site:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx
Here are my observations:
24L vs. 24G is a toss, both are sharp

50L vs. 50G Canon is a bit better both at 1.4 and 2.0. None of them is perfect though

85L vs 85G again Canon is bit sharper than Nikon, both are sharp enough for me though

100L vs 105 Micro, similar to 85's Canon is tad sharper, both very good even wide open
200L/2.8 vs. 200/4D Canon is definitely sharper here, both are very good
135L vs 135D similar to 200, Canon is hand down better

Did I answer my own question? Nor really. As this side is mostly devoted to Canon, I don't know how that may influence results of the lens test. I would much rather hear opinion of those who used those lenses in the field, rather than looking at bunch of lines trying to figure out which one looks better to me.

I would take their results with a grain of salt. They are a heavily biased Canon site. Photozone, SLRgear.com are a couple of sites that are more neutral.
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reginalddwight wrote:

CalBoy87 wrote:

Hi. Considering move from Canon. I think D800 is better for me than 5DMKIII and lower priced as well. However I got very nice collection of lenses - 24L, 50L, 85L, 135L, 200L and 100L Macro.

You are so heavily invested in Canon L lenses. Makes no sense to me why you are considering the swap. If you shoot a lot with your 50mm and 85mm, there are no comparable Nikkor AF-S lenses.

24/1.4L = 24/1.4G
50/1.2L = no Nikkor AF-S equivalent (AI-S 50/1.2 MF lens)
85/1.2L = no Nikkor AF-S equivalent
135/2L = 135/2D DC (not AF-S)
200/2L = 200/2G
100/2.8L = 105/2.8G

As good as the 50 1.2 L and the 85 1.2 L are, with the high ISO abilities of the latest batch of FF DSLRs, there really is not significant reason to prefer the an f1.2 lens over an f1.4 lens. Both lens line-ups have lenses that the other does not, i.e. nikon 14-24 2.8. So you really have a toss-up at best re: lenses. But the D800 vs. 5D Mk III may not be such a toss-up.

You will not loose much money if any selling your Canon glass on Ebay. If you take quality photos of your lenses from all angles you will get, and include the original boxes and accessories, you well definitely get close to what you paid for them. I do it all of the time, and occasionally I actually get exactly the same, or more than what I paid for the lens new.

The huge plus for the Nikon system is that pretty much all F-mount lenses, including some superb MF AIS lenses, work perfectly on modern Nikon bodies. Good luck.

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CalBoy87 wrote:

I check the lenses sharpness using this site:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx

Wow this site is bias!! I just checked out the Nikon 200/2 a gold standard. This site makes it look soft. Are they using a D50 as the test camera??

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If you're switching for real photographic differences, you should definitely wait just a few more weeks and see some real-world images from "real" photographers (not scientists). The images that come out from pre-production units, before the cameras are available, are always all over the map in quality. Canon is notorious for releasing the first official photos from their cameras that always look horrible. But somehow the production cameras magically look great in the hands of actual shooters.

You didn't mention video so you probably don't care about it. But Nikon's and Canon's approach to downsampling to HD frame sizes in their new DSLRs will be quite different, and one might be infinitely better than the other in terms of moire. If you use video definitely wait for tests as moire from bad downsampling turns a cinema quality video camera into a cheap looking smart phone.

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