Switching from Aperture 3 to Lightroom 4?

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Ryanide
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Switching from Aperture 3 to Lightroom 4?
Mar 7, 2012

Is there anyone here that feels the need to drop Aperture 3 and move to Lightroom 4?

Personally, I've been using Aperture for a long time now, but I don't like the full screen implementation and the regular screen is not so great. But the big thing that I'm finding is the integration with Photoshop is not great for managing roundtrip files. Such as when merging multiple files in Photoshop's HDR and then getting those files back into my Aperture library.

Seems like photoshop has a much better integration in this aspect.

Another thing is that the standard RAW processing of images from my 5DmkII end up looking pretty drab with Aperture's initial process. Seems like they need quite a bit of tweaking just to get them looking nice. Anyone else notice this?

Also, the new LR4 book module looks like something I may start using.

What do you think?

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Switching from Lightroom 4 to Aperture 4 soon?
In reply to Ryanide, Mar 7, 2012

This will never end;-)

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I have read that they use Blurb which means I will not use LR4.
I am very happy with A3 books.
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So, when Aperture 4 comes out.....
In reply to Ryanide, Mar 7, 2012

Will there be a compelling reason to switch back again - given they tend to leap frog each other
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I am using both. I use TIFF for round trips. The reason I use both is I like the storage Aperture uses better, its simple but a memory pig. So, storage is Aperture. I like Lightroom's tabbed workflow , ability to get into PS or PSE easily and some of the new tools are fantastic like the white balance tool. I run it on my MacbookPro and it is much faster than Aperture on it.

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In reply to Ryanide, Mar 8, 2012

Ryanide wrote:

Is there anyone here that feels the need to drop Aperture 3 and move to Lightroom 4?

Not really. But then I've never been wanting the new shinny thing too badly. At least when it comes to software - I did get the Nikon D700 the first day it was available

Personally, I've been using Aperture for a long time now, but I don't like the full screen implementation and the regular screen is not so great. But the big thing that I'm finding is the integration with Photoshop is not great for managing roundtrip files. Such as when merging multiple files in Photoshop's HDR and then getting those files back into my Aperture library.

Seems like photoshop has a much better integration in this aspect.

Surprised? The official name is after all Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4!!

Another thing is that the standard RAW processing of images from my 5DmkII end up looking pretty drab with Aperture's initial process. Seems like they need quite a bit of tweaking just to get them looking nice. Anyone else notice this?

Also, the new LR4 book module looks like something I may start using.

For what I've seen its not better than the book function in Aperture 3. But I don't make all that many books

What do you think?

I like the Aperture organizer a lot better than the Lightroom organizer. So I'll wait and see. I think Apple will update Aperture some time this year. Should the update be too little too late then maybe.

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In reply to Peter Rongsted, Mar 8, 2012

Lightroom has some very nice image adjustment tools, some of which I like better than Aperture. However, everything else beside that, I like better in Aperture. If AP4 came out with the things it is missing, better sharpening and noise reduction, lens correction and perspective corrections, and better chromatic aberration corrections, and a picture package or free form layout tool for printing, then it would outpoint LR at nearly every task.

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I am just glad the upgrade price is low. I use both, love both.. Competition is a good thing.
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I think this is going to be a $150 that many Aperture users with older, slower Macs are going to spring for. I've been looking for various ways to get more life out of my older MBP until the next models, and there's really nothing short of spending a grand for a refurb that makes any sense. And if it doesn't run any more happily and responsively and is not quite the temporary panacea hoped for (there are some grumblings abut the Windows version being slower than 3) the worst thing that will come out of it is that they'll have it in their arsenal and only be out $150.

I think the Ivy Bridge models not arriving until June might help sell a few of these while that still seems so far away.

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In reply to Ryanide, Mar 8, 2012

My understanding, when I looked into this months ago, was that there was no good way to move from one to the other. I mean, if you are taking advantage of non-destructive adjustments, you can’t simply move your RAW files and adjustments from one app to the other. So if you’ve got a library full of adjusted and tweaked images, you’d have to actually output those as TIFF (or some other file format) to bake in the changes. Which means you now have a RAW image plus a much larger TIFF of the same image. Am I missing something? Seems that moving from one to the other is nothing short of a monumental task.
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I store all images after conversion as TIFF. There is no real RAW format, just a multitude of variations. I don't want to at some point get stuck with a bunch of RAW formats that are at the whim of Adobe and all the others. Notice how if you upgrade to CSx , Lightroom X etc . it wants to fix your RAW images? No thanks. TIFF is lossless as well but yes its larger.

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erik hansen wrote:

My understanding, when I looked into this months ago, was that there was no good way to move from one to the other. I mean, if you are taking advantage of non-destructive adjustments, you can’t simply move your RAW files and adjustments from one app to the other. So if you’ve got a library full of adjusted and tweaked images, you’d have to actually output those as TIFF (or some other file format) to bake in the changes. Which means you now have a RAW image plus a much larger TIFF of the same image. Am I missing something? Seems that moving from one to the other is nothing short of a monumental task.
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Who says you have to transfer your libraries over? Your copy of Aperture doesn't disintegrate when you buy LR : ) Finish in progress Aperture work and get to know LR and decide if you want to start projects from this point on in LR. If you need old images, fire up Aperture.

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In reply to Ryanide, Mar 8, 2012

I use Lightroom as Aperture simply does not keep up with the latest cameras and when it does, the RAW conversion to jpeg is simply not in the same class as Lightroom. I have a Panasonic GX1 and I am still waiting for Aperture to enable me to process RAW. Roll on Christmas!!

But more seriously, Lightroom offers a lot more controls especially when it comes to correcting distortions etc. Yes I do use Aperture but only for processing Lightroom failures. For me it will always be second option. And Lightroom 4? Bit like being born again!
Sorry if you disagree.

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In reply to happypuppy, Mar 8, 2012

Interesting. That’s like throwing out the negatives! But I wonder how many people do the same. I see the advantages of doing that, and understand the concern that one day the support for your RAW files will be dropped. I’m not sure I’d want to see my disk space usage explode and lose the adjustment settings I’d made, though. It’s something to think about...

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In reply to happypuppy, Mar 8, 2012

Isn't that the reason that Adobe has been pushing the DNG format as an archival option for years now? (Which I have yet to use)

But I do see your point. I have documents that I created 15 years ago in WordPerfect and none of todays programs will open them. And what about those programs that only work in Mac OS9? Modern computer will not even think about those.

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In reply to Ryanide, Apr 7, 2012

Read these opinions with interest.

I have been a user of Lightroom from day one ( PC & iMac) used the LR4. (beta) didn't think there was that much to shout about in the upgrade from LR3, however the LR4 beta was faster than LR3 on my iMac so I have upgraded to 4. Was I disappointed YES it is so slow at least on my machine. I have downloaded and installed Aperure 3 and it's many times faster, does most that LR4 will do not all admitted but still experimenting.

It integrates fine with Photoshop CS4 and all my Nik plugins, so I am now looking forward to a Aperture 4 release.

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Ryanide

Libre Office will open your WordPerfect files.

http://www.documentfoundation.org/

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No, as an Apple computer, Apple TV, iPad and iPhone user, I prefer Apple software. Got burned enough in the past when third party software vendors such as Adobe and Nikon didn't keep their editing software on par with Apple OS and other updates; and, so will not visit that route again. Besides, as a Nikon and Leica-m user, Apple Aperture meets my needs very well.
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In reply to M Colyer, Apr 9, 2012

Apple/Aperture takes longer, but does a more thorough job. For example, Fujifilm X100 files shot in DR200% or DR400% show underexposed in LR because it doesn't interpret the MakerNote field. Likewise with the selected focus point in Canon flies (also stored in a MakerNote). Faster incomplete support, or slower full featured support? I guess it depends on when you buy your camera and your patience.

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M Colyer wrote:

I use Lightroom as Aperture simply does not keep up with the latest cameras and when it does, the RAW conversion to jpeg is simply not in the same class as Lightroom. I have a Panasonic GX1 and I am still waiting for Aperture to enable me to process RAW. Roll on Christmas!!

But more seriously, Lightroom offers a lot more controls especially when it comes to correcting distortions etc. Yes I do use Aperture but only for processing Lightroom failures. For me it will always be second option. And Lightroom 4? Bit like being born again!
Sorry if you disagree.

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In reply to Ryanide, Apr 9, 2012

I much prefer the design of Aperture, however with version 3 they rewrote a lot of code heinrich it run well on slower hardware. Unfortunately this code is so bug ridden that Aperture has gone from my number one App to something of a chore, having to constantly work around its bugs and short-comings.

For me version 4.1 will be a watershed (x.0 always has bugs so I'll allow a bug fix release before deciding). I want Apple to show this is a serious tool for people who are serious about their photography, not an iPhoto plus for those who just want to buy bells and whistles for their Mac. I'm not that hopeful, I think it will be iPhoto plus, at which point I'll probably switch to Aperture for management and DXO for processing, but I'm not fixed on my replacement workflow yet, I guess I'm still rooting for Aperture.

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Ryanide wrote:

Is there anyone here that feels the need to drop Aperture 3 and move to Lightroom 4?

Personally, I've been using Aperture for a long time now, but I don't like the full screen implementation and the regular screen is not so great. But the big thing that I'm finding is the integration with Photoshop is not great for managing roundtrip files. Such as when merging multiple files in Photoshop's HDR and then getting those files back into my Aperture library.

Seems like photoshop has a much better integration in this aspect.

Another thing is that the standard RAW processing of images from my 5DmkII end up looking pretty drab with Aperture's initial process. Seems like they need quite a bit of tweaking just to get them looking nice. Anyone else notice this?

Also, the new LR4 book module looks like something I may start using.

What do you think?

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