D800 changing focus screen

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Kolen
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D800 changing focus screen
Mar 3, 2012

Hi. I am using 5D II and when 5D III is out, I notice there's no focus screen changing. I need that in 5D II for manual focusing fast lens. Did D800 have it? Thanks.

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In reply to Kolen, Mar 3, 2012

Hi Kolen!

I am not sure if the D800 allows the exchange of the focusing screen, but it has a function built in, which they call the "electronic rangefinder"

With that function you get a visual signal during manual focusing, indicating perfect focus for the selected focus point as well as the "overshoot" to both sides.

That way you can use the AF sensor and when turning the focus ring on the lens you will see when the image at the selected point is in focus.

I don't think you will feel the need for a separate focusing screen.

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May be KatzEye will make one for D800?
In reply to Kolen, Mar 3, 2012

May be KatzEye will make one for D800 later?

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That might well be possible!

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May be KatzEye will make one for D800 later?

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Kolen wrote:

Hi. I am using 5D II and when 5D III is out, I notice there's no focus screen changing. I need that in 5D II for manual focusing fast lens. Did D800 have it? Thanks.

It probably can be changed but we always heard that third party focus screens was harder to make for 100% viewfinder cameras like the D3. Nikons stock screens is usually pretty good for manual focus though. On the D3s screen I can reliably (but not easily) focus a f1.4 lens. On the D700 I cant, so I installed a Canon S type screen which is very precise but much darker than the D3 finder. As it stands, I am confused as to why, but I think that in the pro cameras (D3s and also some older Canons series I used) they use a much better prism or something. The differences is very clear , so even though DOF is shown for maximum f2,5-f2.8 the contrast at the exact point of focus is clear at larger apertures.

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In reply to M Lammerse, Mar 3, 2012

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That might well be possible!

They said they couldnt make one for D3/x because of the 100% viewfinder coverage. The same might apply to D800

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That's too bad...

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They said they couldnt make one for D3/x because of the 100% viewfinder coverage. The same might apply to D800

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Re: May be KatzEye will make one for D800?
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They probably won't. None of the 100% viewfinder full frame cameras has Katz Eye screens for.

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Oh.

100% that is the reason...?
Thank you for the information.

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That's too bad...

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They said they couldnt make one for D3/x because of the 100% viewfinder coverage. The same might apply to D800

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In reply to Leos, Mar 3, 2012

I believe these 3rd parties do not actually make the screens. They might cut them from a bigger piece. The problem is that all the manual focus Nikons with 100% viewfinders have condenser screens which are much too thick to fit into a DSLR. So there is now raw material for making these screens. If the manufacturers actually started making their own focusing screens then it would be possible but they probably don't have the resources / equipment to do so.

An F6 screen can be fitted, but it's not any better for manual focus than other modern AF screens...

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In reply to surf1, Mar 3, 2012

Yes, but with the cameras I used (D300/D700) is not accurate enough for f/1.4 apertures.

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In reply to Kolen, Mar 3, 2012

I expect the DK-17M to fit the D800. If it does, it should help with manual focus on the Nikon screen. I've used one on the D700 and found that I could manually focus with it, where I couldn't without it.

The Nikon DK-17M Magnifying Eyepiece for D3, D2 & D1 Series, D700, F6, F5, F4 & F3HP Cameras increases the viewfinder magnification by approximately 1.2x for added viewing precision.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/387769-REG/Nikon_4793_DK_17M_Magnifying_Eyepiece_for.html

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Thanks for everyone's information. What is the electronic rangefinder really doing? It has a certain electronic "needle" showing you how accurate the focus is??

And Let say, for example, I use the Samyang 85/1.4 with AF chip. How is it going to work? e.g. I can set the aperture via the body? So the aperture ring will no longer works?
Thanks.

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Did you check Nikon D800 system chart?

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/compatibility01.htm

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Kolen wrote:

Thanks for everyone's information. What is the electronic rangefinder really doing? It has a certain electronic "needle" showing you how accurate the focus is??

In the viewfinder there is a dot and two triangles (arrows). The dot lights up when you are in focus. One of the arrows lights when you are out of focus and indicates whether the focus is too close or too distant.

They also function when AF is in effect.
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Did you check Nikon D800 system chart?

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/compatibility01.htm

It is there, top right.
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Ilkka Nissilä wrote:

I believe these 3rd parties do not actually make the screens. They might cut them from a bigger piece. The problem is that all the manual focus Nikons with 100% viewfinders have condenser screens which are much too thick to fit into a DSLR. So there is now raw material for making these screens. If the manufacturers actually started making their own focusing screens then it would be possible but they probably don't have the resources / equipment to do so.

An F6 screen can be fitted, but it's not any better for manual focus than other modern AF screens...

Brightscreen makes the screen themselves and also have one for the D3. Expensive stuff though.

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In reply to Leos, May 4, 2012

Hi. I got a D800E yesterday. I got a F2.8 lens and it's ok to MF on it. But I am planning to buy some MF F1.4 lenses to use on it. I tired the focusing arrows (electronic rangefinder) and find it very difficult to follow it. I have to stare at the arrows and dot to focus, but then that makes me difficult to focus on the image itself, eg composition.

I have been using a 5D II and using a focus screen that can see the real dof. And that allows me to MF very fast and shot some moderate action shot.

Do anyone has tips that can focus that fast and focus on the image (rather than staring at the dot)?

And some of you said there's some 3rd party focusing screen, are there any news on that?

Thanks so much. That's very important for me and if MF won't work smoothly at F1.4 then I may need to go back to 5D II only for its focus screen...

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In reply to Kolen, May 4, 2012

By the way, how less dof one can see on the focus screen? Some said F4, some said f2.8 or 2.5, which is right?

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And can the D800E use auto selection AF point when MF for the electronic range finder? On 5D II I can leave the AF points as auto and as I turn the focus ring the AF points that are in focus will lights up

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