41 Megapixels should be enough for anybody

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Benjamin Marsh
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41 Megapixels should be enough for anybody
Feb 27, 2012

Nikon just had their marketing departments ass handed to them by... Nokia?

http://press.nokia.com/2012/02/27/nokia-808-pureview-ushers-in-a-revolution-in-smartphone-imaging/

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Re: 41 Megapixels should be enough for anybody
In reply to Benjamin Marsh, Feb 27, 2012

New toy on my wish list.

Finally a worthwhile upgrade from the Nokia N8.
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In reply to Benjamin Marsh, Feb 27, 2012

The white paper here says it has a 1/1.2" sensor, with 1.4 micron pixels. If I understand things right, that's a similar pixel size to many compact cameras? Yet 41 megapixels. And in a cellphone. Interesting!

http://europe.nokia.com/PRODUCT_METADATA_0/Products/Phones/8000-series/808/Nokia808PureView_Whitepaper.pdf

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In reply to TailsNZ, Feb 27, 2012

That sensor is just huge. And couple that with incredible processing power, allowing for on the fly downsampling.

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The white paper here says it has a 1/1.2" sensor, with 1.4 micron pixels. If I understand things right, that's a similar pixel size to many compact cameras? Yet 41 megapixels. And in a cellphone. Interesting!

http://europe.nokia.com/PRODUCT_METADATA_0/Products/Phones/8000-series/808/Nokia808PureView_Whitepaper.pdf

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In reply to Jon Rty, Feb 27, 2012

Very cool! How huge are we talking? Bigger than a Canon G12, just for example?

I see the average 16 megapixel compact camera has a pixel size of about 1.4 microns.

I guess this makes up for the lack of zoom in camera phones, as when you zoom on the phone, it reduces the megapixels and crops. I imagine I'd be happy cropping down to 5 megapixels or such, and that's a fair zoom.

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About twice the size of that in the G12.

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Very cool! How huge are we talking? Bigger than a Canon G12, just for example?

I see the average 16 megapixel compact camera has a pixel size of about 1.4 microns.

I guess this makes up for the lack of zoom in camera phones, as when you zoom on the phone, it reduces the megapixels and crops. I imagine I'd be happy cropping down to 5 megapixels or such, and that's a fair zoom.

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1/1.2 inches would make the sensor 83% the size of the sensor in a Nikon 1 system camera, or about 25% bigger than a fuji X10/X-S1 sensor.

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Re: 41 Megapixels should be enough for anybody
In reply to Benjamin Marsh, Feb 27, 2012

That's quite cool. I guess smart phones will be the death of compacts.

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In reply to Benjamin Marsh, Feb 27, 2012

I'm sure it would be the best camera phone so far, but how would it compare to a good compact camera, like my own Sony HX9V, which has a smaller sensor? That would be interesting to know...

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In reply to Jon Rty, Feb 27, 2012

Wow!!

Of all the software to run though, why oh why did it have to be Symbian. Must have been because of when they started developing the phone. I look forward to the sequel to the phone though, which will no doubt run a version of Windows Mobile.

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Do try Symbian Belle before you knock it. They've come a long, long way from what Symbian^3 started out as. It's not that dissimilar to Android now-a-days, and due to the native kernel design, it's quite a bit more efficient.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/leaving-anna-for-belle-we-take-an-up-close-look-at-symbians-latest-version-review/

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Wow!!

Of all the software to run though, why oh why did it have to be Symbian. Must have been because of when they started developing the phone. I look forward to the sequel to the phone though, which will no doubt run a version of Windows Mobile.

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In reply to Jon Rty, Feb 27, 2012

Symbian Bella is ok, but I would much rather have Windows Phone, but I guess the software is not ready for a camera phone like this.

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In reply to Benjamin Marsh, Feb 27, 2012

Here's a video about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HDlAXUsRDew

And this one is pretty interesting too. Especially the examples of zoom:

http://www.viddler.com/v/e9abdbb4

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Re: 41 Megapixels should be enough for anybody
In reply to Benjamin Marsh, Feb 27, 2012

Yeah I can see all those D800 pre orders getting cancelled because of a Nokia

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In reply to TailsNZ, Feb 27, 2012

Here are a few untouched photos from Nokia 808 (Look at UPDATE#2 on the bottom of the page).

Per pixel quality certainly better than my Samsung Note phone. Some conservative unsharp mask will improve the photos even more.

http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/02/27/nokia-808-pureview-%E2%80%93-revolutionary-camera-technology-great-smartphone/

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In reply to Benjamin Marsh, Feb 27, 2012

Interesting. What about price?

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450€ before taxes in Europe unlocked and unsubsidized.

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Interesting. What about price?

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In reply to Jon Rty, Feb 27, 2012

Those samples look very good, but ISO is very low, I would like to see some high ISO examples:

http://cdn.conversations.nokia.com.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Archive2.zip

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Benjamin Marsh wrote:

41 Megapixels should be enough for anybody

64 megabytes of RAM should be enough for anybody

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wii wrote:

Those samples look very good, but ISO is very low, I would like to see some high ISO examples:

http://cdn.conversations.nokia.com.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Archive2.zip

The noise is also very low though, try turning photoshop on those shadows, it's quite surprising. I Imagine that the downsampled pictures must be not only very sharp but remarkably low noise. Anyone know what the highest iso can be set or is it entirely auto?

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