D4 full samples at high iso (not Nikon samples)...

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Ray Soares
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D4 full samples at high iso (not Nikon samples)...
Jan 8, 2012

http://mirceabezergheanu.smugmug.com/gallery/20915871_LhHTdj# !i=1661827515&k=mMGsbkw

12800 iso is completely usable IMO. Like iso 2000 in my D7000
Someone could make a proxy comparison to a D3s jpeg?
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Re: D4 full samples at high iso (not Nikon samples)...
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Testing high ISO's in bright light is pointless.

i do not think that D4 is better than D3s in high ISO image quality.

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In reply to manmachine242, Jan 8, 2012

The pic of the Nikon guy standing up is 1/160 at f2.5 and iso 6400. Seems "low light" to me.
Of course the camera got a beta firmware , it's a jpg, etc.
Looking good IMO.
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I'm not sure what processing has been done to these. They seem to be straight out of camera.

Looking at the Nikon guy shot at ISO3200 at 100%, there seems to be a lot of color splotching. I dont' want to call it evidence of chroma noise, because the t-shirt is clean, but the skin on the guy is messy

Looking at this in isolation, I wouldn't be saying that the D4 has any noise advantage over the D3s, I'd be calling it the other way around.

But, that said, this is just a JPG, and it could indeed be down to beta firmware. I'm very keen to see the first NEFs come out. I'm even more keen to test out side by side with my D3s at a store for a more apples-to-apples comparison.

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manmachine242 wrote:

i do not think that D4 is better than D3s in high ISO image quality.

I'd also say it's not better; the noise performance is the same with the added bonus of 4Mpix.

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Agree, 3200 has noise
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showing already. I think the D3S has better noise performance.

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Comparison was done here:
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Re: D4 full samples at high iso (not Nikon samples)...
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manmachine242 wrote:

Testing high ISO's in bright light is pointless.

i do not think that D4 is better than D3s in high ISO image quality.

And you are wrong.

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manmachine242 wrote:

Testing high ISO's in bright light is pointless.

i do not think that D4 is better than D3s in high ISO image quality.

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Really!

What do you base your judgement on?

Do you think Nikon would put much time, effort and money developing a new flagship FX DSLR with inferior image quality compared to the previous model and by that jeopardize their reputation?

Why would that happen now since Nikon never ever before has relased a new model with worse image quality compared to the predecessor?

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Looks that way...
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when compared to the D3S for Hi-ISO noise.

The D4 and D3S are two completely different cameras targeted towards two different areas of performance.

Remember a year ago Nikon execs stated that there will be compromises in IQ and Hi-ISO performance, more of a middle of the line result.

The new D800 may acutally have worse ISO performance than the D700, but people got to have that 36MP...

Bob P.

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Petruska wrote:

when compared to the D3S for Hi-ISO noise.

The D4 and D3S are two completely different cameras targeted towards two different areas of performance.

Remember a year ago Nikon execs stated that there will be compromises in IQ and Hi-ISO performance, more of a middle of the line result.

The new D800 may acutally have worse ISO performance than the D700, but people got to have that 36MP...

Bob P.

No, your assumtions are wrong.

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Don't sell your D3s just yet :P
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What we know for sure is that the D4 is not a stop better than the D3s. If it was better, the default ISO range would go to ISO25600. So we can expect only slighty better, equal or slightly worse. There is a lot of chroma noise in the jpegs but that does not realy proves anything.

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manmachine242 wrote:

Testing high ISO's in bright light is pointless.

How so?

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High ISO and bright light
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manmachine242 wrote:

Testing high ISO's in bright light is pointless.

Not true. Photographing a scene at EV 12, 1/8000 shutter, ISO 12800 produces the same result as the same scene at EV 4, 1/30 shutter, ISO 12800, provided lighting color and other settings are kept the same.

The reason why some think "bright light" doesn't test high ISO, is because it's usually daylight balance, whereas "low light" tends to be artificial, which exacerbates perceived noise in the image.

i do not think that D4 is better than D3s in high ISO image quality.

Not far from the truth, but there are differences, which some users may find significant to their work.

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Re: Don't sell your D3s just yet :P
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First time I'll knock so badly a Nikon camera

I love Nikon, I'm a Nikon fanboy most of the time, but...

I'm so sad about those samples... I mean, I opened by mistake the ISO 50k bottle shot and thought it was really bad.

but then I discovered that it was the ISO 50k sample ! WOW

When I got to the 200k sample , I went from this to something like this

4 years of development from the Earth-shaking D3 to this ?? ? ? ?

So sad... really guys... that's so frustrating...

And I meant to buy this baby. Probably will, but just because I don't have a D3s and because I want high quality video.

Oh dear...

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Re: D4 full samples at high iso (not Nikon samples)...
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Can you explain how 1/320, f/2.0, ISO 12 800 is "bright light"? Are you by chance a coal miner?

manmachine242 wrote:

Testing high ISO's in bright light is pointless.

i do not think that D4 is better than D3s in high ISO image quality.

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In reply to teodorian2, Jan 9, 2012

exactly. While I completely realize none of us can make any fair comparisons right now, I would be hard pressed to believe no improvements (ISO) result from the D4. Perhaps they'll only be on one end of the ISO spectrum, or very small improvements in some range, I don't know but I highly doubt there will be no improvements. Nikon's got way too much invested in the D4 venture at this point, including what, 2.5 yrs of development and has had lots of time to figure out how to squeeze some improvement. Time will tell I guess!
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In reply to Marianne Oelund, Jan 9, 2012

Marianne Oelund wrote:

manmachine242 wrote:

Testing high ISO's in bright light is pointless.

Not true. Photographing a scene at EV 12, 1/8000 shutter, ISO 12800 produces the same result as the same scene at EV 4, 1/30 shutter, ISO 12800, provided lighting color and other settings are kept the same.

The reason why some think "bright light" doesn't test high ISO, is because it's usually daylight balance, whereas "low light" tends to be artificial, which exacerbates perceived noise in the image.

At the same time, a contrasty scene with a significant shadow area is helpful to show up pattern noise and blooming, for example.

The D3 was a great sports camera even at high gain settings, in part due to the largely midtone content and even lighting. The blooming only got in the way when you had a dark region aligned with a blown highlight, which would render the fixed noise component obvious.

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