At my local

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Re: At my local
In reply to duckling, Oct 14, 2011

I like but don't love these. I did a lot of shooting recently with the Film Grain art filter on the epl2, and found that there's just a little too much grain in most of them. It works sometimes, but other times it's just distracting.

I worked around it by using 2 layers in photoshop: 1 with the OOC camera jpeg and 1 with the raw file, just turned B&W. Then played with the opacity of each until I found a decent balance.

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Very pleasant night, last night. C&C welcome.
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These photos are frustrating for me because you caught some great moments and expressions but they're hurt by being out of focus (some of them) and extremely grainy/noisy. I really enjoy my m43 kit but for low light people photography, I think a DSLR and fast prime is the better choice.

I'd like to see more photos like these from you, but in either better light or taken with equipment more suitable for this situation.

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In reply to larsbc, Oct 14, 2011

larsbc wrote:

duckling wrote:

Very pleasant night, last night. C&C welcome.
Lenses used: Olympus 12, Nokton 25 and Samyang 85.

These photos are frustrating for me because you caught some great moments and expressions but they're hurt by being out of focus (some of them) and extremely grainy/noisy. I really enjoy my m43 kit but for low light people photography, I think a DSLR and fast prime is the better choice.

these were taken with the grainy B&W filter.

I'd like to see more photos like these from you, but in either better light or taken with equipment more suitable for this situation.

The OP purposely made them look grainy.

I agree with you in that the effect really doesn't enhance the photos, but other than that there are some good shots here.

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Re: At my local - Great set...
In reply to duckling, Oct 14, 2011
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I disagree with some, esp. the guy that said you should only take shots in good light, or something like that. I'm glad you took this great set of candid shots, and that you used the grainy BW art filter on some. Thanks for posting these...

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We seem to disagree here - I think architecture needs as little grain as possible, as well as "official" photos like your last one.

For me, grain shows, you are trying to capture a fleeing moment, even in bad conditions, giving photos something intimate.

Of those photos some are too soft, bot the last ones, the two men, the gils and the group I think the grain is just right., But of course, this is a rather personal view. - Peter

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Well, we could argue about this...
In reply to eques, Oct 14, 2011

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We seem to disagree here - I think architecture needs as little grain as possible, as well as "official" photos like your last one.

'till the cows come home but here is my rational.

For unadorned surfaces that meet at an angle, the extra grain amplifies minor differences in relflectivity emphasizing the intersections of the different planes. Without the extra grain (artificial surface detail) the topologically complex ceiling in the church shot would just look flat.

On human faces, it does the same thing, amplifies intersecting surfaces which is not good for people's faces and the extra texture just makes them look like they have s skin condition.

For me, grain shows, you are trying to capture a fleeing moment, even in bad conditions, giving photos something intimate.

You would get that kind of grain anyway just because of the low light setting. Adding the Noisy Grain Filter just goes overboard without any compelling reason.

Of those photos some are too soft, bot the last ones, the two men, the gils and the group I think the grain is just right., But of course, this is a rather personal view. - Peter

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Re: At my local
In reply to duckling, Oct 14, 2011

Not every snap deserved to go public.

Be more critical to yourself: these do not come close to your photo of the dancing girl.
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In reply to cheddargav, Oct 14, 2011

Thanks. A book, there's an idea. Anyway, I talked to the pub owner about filling a wall with those images. He reckons they might draw more customers.
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In reply to xMichaelx, Oct 14, 2011

But what I like about the art filters is you don't really need anymore PP. They serve as interpretations and all you want to do is stick to one of them and visualize the scene through it.
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In reply to s_grins, Oct 14, 2011

However, I like this set much more than I like the dancing girl. These convey energy, atmosphere and life. The dancing girl is a bit dull, I think.
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In reply to Framerate, Oct 14, 2011

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Actually, I'm amazed that Panasonic would include such a filter on their cameras - adding a noise filter to an M4/3 is a bit like delivering pies to a fat man desperately trying to diet

Well, it's Olympus. I am pleased they did include it. It has a sense of history, culture and a deep understanding of photography.
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Re: At my local
In reply to duckling, Oct 15, 2011

Nice set - I REALLY like the last one, wonderful shot.

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Re: Well, we could argue about this...
In reply to tedolf, Oct 15, 2011

tedolf wrote:

'till the cows come home but here is my rational.

For unadorned surfaces that meet at an angle, the extra grain amplifies minor differences in relflectivity emphasizing the intersections of the different planes. Without the extra grain (artificial surface detail) the topologically complex ceiling in the church shot would just look flat.

on the opposite, no wall, cailing etc is completely flat - if you render all details, which might be lost in grain. AN exception of course, a glass facades - but there grain looks even worse.

On human faces, it does the same thing, amplifies intersecting surfaces which is not good for people's faces and the extra texture just makes them look like they have s skin condition.

Correct, if we talk about studio portraits, wedding photograsphy, glamour or anything aspiring to something like this.

You would get that kind of grain anyway just because of the low light setting. Adding the Noisy Grain Filter just goes overboard without any compelling reason.

There are two reasons: the grain produces a special atmosphere and , in otherwise too soft images, a structure that gives some impression of sharpness.

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