Some thoughts about 36 Mp D800' rumour...

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photoforfun
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Some thoughts about 36 Mp D800' rumour...
Oct 4, 2011
  • 18 Mp x 2 as Fuji did or real 36 Mp ?

  • 36 Mp FX for 300.000 yen? How will recent D3x buyers feel? I know, same story happened with D1x owners when D70 appeared for 1/4th of the price, but still...

  • 36Mp FX means 16Mp DX, no intention by Nikon for a pro DX cam anymore?

  • ...

Nikonrumors might be right, and I hope so, but at first siight it seems very unlikely to me...
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looks unlikely to be on the truthful side...

Canon at most pulled a 21mp on 5DII... anything more and you require more space for all your photographs, i cannot bear to see nikon pull "36megapixels" x_xll... its just too much

18mp will be already sufficient!
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photoforfun wrote:

  • 36 Mp FX for 300.000 yen? How will recent D3x buyers feel? I know, same story happened with D1x owners when D70 appeared for 1/4th of the price, but still...

Early adapters always pay more. That's part of life.

  • 36Mp FX means 16Mp DX, no intention by Nikon for a pro DX cam anymore?

It really depends on how "pro" the camera is. It also depends on what the D4 looks like.

This camera as spec'd won't be good for a bunch of photographers and will be good for others. It certainly doesn't look like its the sports photography or wildlife photography camera of choice. So there will always be people that would like Nikon to produce a slightly different configuration.

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photoforfun wrote:

  • 18 Mp x 2 as Fuji did or real 36 Mp ?

  • 36 Mp FX for 300.000 yen? How will recent D3x buyers feel? I know, same story happened with D1x owners when D70 appeared for 1/4th of the price, but still...

  • 36Mp FX means 16Mp DX, no intention by Nikon for a pro DX cam anymore?

I think you missed

  • 12 Mp x 3 as Foveon did.

I seem to remember Nikon patents for sensors capturing all colours at each pixel.
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photoforfun wrote:

  • 18 Mp x 2 as Fuji did or real 36 Mp ?

  • 36 Mp FX for 300.000 yen? How will recent D3x buyers feel? I know, same story happened with D1x owners when D70 appeared for 1/4th of the price, but still...

  • 36Mp FX means 16Mp DX, no intention by Nikon for a pro DX cam anymore?

  • ...

Nikonrumors might be right, and I hope so, but at first siight it seems very unlikely to me...
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Owning a D3X and D700 d's and D7000 I feal fine !
Will I buy it if its 36MP..... Yes !
I bought the D3x with a few hundred exposures on it at a reputed second hand

camera store for a little over 5K.....and it will serve me a few years and its a
pro grade camera that does a good job......for many years to come

when I get the D800 it wont have to take all the workload at once so thats a good
thing..... !
I expect if it does have 36MP to have at least the image quality that the d700
had in low light but a do think it will be nearer to the D3s.....

Lets face it ! The image quality of a 36MP camera is resolution wise about at the same level of a large format (film) camera....!

Each sheet film costs 3 dollars for the film (sheet) and about 3 dollars for the development.

Thats 6 Dollars for each exposure not counting scans and getting the film sm to and from the lab.....
A lifetime of one of the above cameras is 150000 exposures......
At 6 dollars an exposure thats all in all without scans etc 900000 Dollars..
minus 4000 dollars for the camera and 1000 dollars for the storage makes
a saving of 896 000 Dollars PER CAMERA !

If you compare it to MF(like hasselblad film based) its a saving of 300000 Dollars....
Did I say i love mathematics........ LOL !
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rayman 2 wrote:

photoforfun wrote:

  • 18 Mp x 2 as Fuji did or real 36 Mp ?

  • 36 Mp FX for 300.000 yen? How will recent D3x buyers feel? I know, same story happened with D1x owners when D70 appeared for 1/4th of the price, but still...

  • 36Mp FX means 16Mp DX, no intention by Nikon for a pro DX cam anymore?

  • ...

Nikonrumors might be right, and I hope so, but at first siight it seems very unlikely to me...
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I prefer one really good picture in a day over 10 bad ones in a second...

Owning a D3X and D700 d's and D7000 I feal fine !
Will I buy it if its 36MP..... Yes !
I bought the D3x with a few hundred exposures on it at a reputed second hand

camera store for a little over 5K.....and it will serve me a few years and its a
pro grade camera that does a good job......for many years to come

when I get the D800 it wont have to take all the workload at once so thats a good
thing..... !
I expect if it does have 36MP to have at least the image quality that the d700
had in low light but a do think it will be nearer to the D3s.....

Lets face it ! The image quality of a 36MP camera is resolution wise about at the same level of a large format (film) camera....!

Each sheet film costs 3 dollars for the film (sheet) and about 3 dollars for the development.

Thats 6 Dollars for each exposure not counting scans and getting the film sm to and from the lab.....
A lifetime of one of the above cameras is 150000 exposures......
At 6 dollars an exposure thats all in all without scans etc 900000 Dollars..
minus 4000 dollars for the camera and 1000 dollars for the storage makes
a saving of 896 000 Dollars PER CAMERA !

If you compare it to MF(like hasselblad film based) its a saving of 300000 Dollars....
Did I say i love mathematics........ LOL !
Peter

At 30 sheetfilms every liter of chemistry (and there are 7 different chemistries incl
final rinse in the E6 process).. so that amounts up to 800 gallons of chemistry
per 150000 exposure camera....... ; P
Did I say i love that kind of mathematics..... ! LOL !
Peter

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I hope it's true. 36MP will be mainstream soon.

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Peter,

you might love mathematcis, but you're a bit short sighted on the economic side.

I asked the past couple of hours a bit around at people who really might know, and although they never say yes or no on questions asked They replied with, do do you really believe so? So that already gave me the impression of that it is a 1% chance of being correct info and 99% of commercial add-click bull.Probable some website has to finance it's new servers (rental)

Besides of the technical aspects alone, it's financial impossible to make such camera at that price point alone. And market wise it's shooting yourself, and not with a camera.

But it's Nikon and just before the presentation of the D3 similar stories where there of a competition killer with unbelievable high iso qualities and super fast performance, which was indeed. But still I give it a one 1% chance...and although

I'm allowed to put a bottle of wine on this one...but I would not even put a bottle filled with sewer water on it.

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rayman 2 wrote:

If you compare it to MF(like hasselblad film based) its a saving of 300000 Dollars....
Did I say i love mathematics........ LOL !
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rayman 2 wrote:

Lets face it ! The image quality of a 36MP camera is resolution wise about at the same level of a large format (film) camera....!

It's nowhere near.

35mm film can be scanned at around 20Mpx, 35mm is 864mm² so that's 23 000 pixels per mm²

5x4 film is 12903mm² so around 300Mpx

Even if you decide not to believe that 35mm can be scanned at 20Mpx and say it's only 5, that's still 75Mpx for the big sheet.

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In reply to Zenist, Oct 4, 2011

It's too early to do anything but speculate and debate. 36mp certainly is a shocker of a number, especially when the standard for pro FX right now is 24mp. It might well turn out to be an unconventional design like those used by Fuji or Sigma.

I don't see much need for a pro DX camera. The main appeal would be telephoto wildlife shooters. There may be many of them in photo forums, but IRL, it is not that big of a market.
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FuzzTheKingOfTrees wrote:

rayman 2 wrote:

Lets face it ! The image quality of a 36MP camera is resolution wise about at the same level of a large format (film) camera....!

It's nowhere near.

35mm film can be scanned at around 20Mpx, 35mm is 864mm² so that's 23 000 pixels per mm²

5x4 film is 12903mm² so around 300Mpx

Even if you decide not to believe that 35mm can be scanned at 20Mpx and say it's only 5, that's still 75Mpx for the big sheet.

Thats not what you realy get.. there are tons of tests from reputed mags and
I´ve done my own and posted here that show that the 36 MP equal the resolution
of 4x5 Inch even Profi Foto THE professional photo mag proved that..
while you can scan a lot with scanners today and the size is pretty big
you dont get the imagequality because film is not 100 % plane.....
There were systems with suction from pumps and Sinars tape but
all in all digital is way better...... thats proven..
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Peter,

you might love mathematcis, but you're a bit short sighted on the economic side.

I asked the past couple of hours a bit around at people who really might know, and although they never say yes or no on questions asked They replied with, do do you really believe so? So that already gave me the impression of that it is a 1% chance of being correct info and 99% of commercial add-click bull.Probable some website has to finance it's new servers (rental)

Besides of the technical aspects alone, it's financial impossible to make such camera at that price point alone. And market wise it's shooting yourself, and not with a camera.

But it's Nikon and just before the presentation of the D3 similar stories where there of a competition killer with unbelievable high iso qualities and super fast performance, which was indeed. But still I give it a one 1% chance...and although

I'm allowed to put a bottle of wine on this one...but I would not even put a bottle filled with sewer water on it.

Michel

rayman 2 wrote:

If you compare it to MF(like hasselblad film based) its a saving of 300000 Dollars....
Did I say i love mathematics........ LOL !
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Not very shortsighted if you look at the SD1 or if you look at the Pentax 645 or

the H431 ....... those are higher priced but nowhere near what we used to pay for film
thats my point !
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The camera specs look almost unbelievable, besides of the technical reasons, a sensor of such size/witch such pixel output and with such specification (look at the ISO values) in combination with delivering both stills at that given speed of fps and video at that price point...LOL!

And thats' my point, well actually not mine, but I thought it might be worth to ventilate here.

Michel

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M Lammerse wrote:
Peter,

you might love mathematcis, but you're a bit short sighted on the economic side.

I asked the past couple of hours a bit around at people who really might know, and although they never say yes or no on questions asked They replied with, do do you really believe so? So that already gave me the impression of that it is a 1% chance of being correct info and 99% of commercial add-click bull.Probable some website has to finance it's new servers (rental)

Besides of the technical aspects alone, it's financial impossible to make such camera at that price point alone. And market wise it's shooting yourself, and not with a camera.

But it's Nikon and just before the presentation of the D3 similar stories where there of a competition killer with unbelievable high iso qualities and super fast performance, which was indeed. But still I give it a one 1% chance...and although

I'm allowed to put a bottle of wine on this one...but I would not even put a bottle filled with sewer water on it.

Michel

rayman 2 wrote:

If you compare it to MF(like hasselblad film based) its a saving of 300000 Dollars....
Did I say i love mathematics........ LOL !
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the H431 ....... those are higher priced but nowhere near what we used to pay for film
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I don't think the pixel count makes any difference at this point and expeed3 is ready (on the j1/v1, that cost under 1K USD). Why would such a camera be more expensive than a D700?

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Here's what someone posted on my forum about this rumour:
http://www.fotografie.fr/fotoforum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1299#p3722

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photoforfun wrote:

  • 36 Mp FX for 300.000 yen? How will recent D3x buyers feel?

Same as people who bought D2x before the D300 was announced. They'll try to sell for it an absurd price on the used market, it wont go, then they'll drop that price little by little. Hell, if Nikon comes out with a killer 36mp D800, people will be able to pick up a used D3x for peanuts.

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Ron Scubadiver wrote:

36mp certainly is a shocker of a number

I dont think it is. If anything, I expected a 40+ mp FF in this generation of cameras.

Now we could see sports/pj, high fps cameras with 24mp, and cameras intended for studio or whatever with 36+.

I don't see much need for a pro DX camera.

With a 36mp FF, one might just choose to crop and voila, there's your pro DX.

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  • If past history is any indication of how Nikon designs their products, it is highly, highly unlikely that the D800 will have 36mp.

Nikon, at least to me, seems to be the only company that has done a pretty good job of resisting the megapixel race. Nikon has always emphasized picture quality, speed of operation, low noise and high iso capability over the megapixel count.

The D2h, D70, D3, and even the latest V1/J1 (not to mention several others) are good examples of this. Despite the common complaint (from Nikon consumers) that the MP count is too low, Nikon has for the most part stuck with its philosophy.

The only exceptions are the D3x and the D7000.

Yet the D7000 really (still) has a good combination of picture quality, speed of operation, low noise and high iso, relative to its megapixels.

  • Unless there is some big technological breakthrough that allows Nikon to create such a sensor cheaply, with high quality, I would also be shocked if Nikon decided to compete with MF offerings...

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Let's see, I buy two of the new D800, saving $1,800,000. I put the money down on a $2,000,000 house, financing only $200,000. And I can also buy a D3X for peanuts and have it as a backup. I am planting peanuts right now.

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rhlpetrus wrote:

I don't think the pixel count makes any difference at this point and expeed3 is ready (on the j1/v1, that cost under 1K USD). Why would such a camera be more expensive than a D700?

I agree, what's so expensive about using a 36MP sensor in a D700 body? It's the same sized FF wafer just with updated sensor and exspeed technology. Does the semiconductor fab charge by the pixel?

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