Oh dear

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duckling
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Sep 7, 2011

Just pushed the button on a silver E-P3. Honestly, I don't need it. I've learned to exploit my E-P2 to the very limit and love what it can do, but I miss a bit of shadow detail in JPEGs and a built-in flash for the odd fill-in. Besides, it will look so sweet with a black Aki Asahi leatherette and no grip.
I swear not to buy any more cameras until the end of the year.

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Whoa...there is way, way too much noise in that photo...a green arm?
In reply to duckling, Sep 7, 2011

Perhaps its my monitor, but I doubt it. That photo would be great in B&W.

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Re: Oh dear
In reply to duckling, Sep 7, 2011

You should have bought my body-only one in the for sale area! =:-o

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In reply to WT21, Sep 7, 2011

yes, far far too green.

you need to adjust the green/magenta colour balance.

grain is okay, but really doesn't do the subject favours, maybe it could be removed?

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Nothing wrong with a bit of grain
In reply to Corkcampbell, Sep 7, 2011

This image prints nicely.
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Re: Whoa...there is way, way too much noise in that photo...a green arm?
In reply to Corkcampbell, Sep 7, 2011

Corkcampbell wrote:

Perhaps its my monitor, but I doubt it. That photo would be great in B&W.

Oh dear.

I hope this was tongue-in-cheek. You have no idea what ISO it was taken at, and, well, if you just look at the image it's . . . great! I swear some people would probably complain about the noise and lack of DR in this one too:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Adams_The_Tetons_and_the_Snake_River.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Adams_The_Tetons_and_the_Snake_River.jpg&h=2402&w=3000&sz=1822&tbnid=51Z1O6WewT_3zM:&tbnh=85&tbnw=106&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dansel%2Badams%2Bphotographs%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=ansel+adams+photographs&docid=G5SFeu3iHWZvaM&sa=X&ei=BthnTp-5ONO2tgf4iIjFDQ&ved=0CFIQ9QEwAw&dur=344

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Re: Nothing wrong with a bit of grain
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duckling wrote:

This image prints nicely.

Yes, I've found that noise does not matter with printing, and my E-PL1 noise at 1600 is also "nice" noise and easy on the eye.

Anyone ever looked at scanned 35mm film? Even low ISO film is tragic by comparison.

Meanwhile, some people just like to complain about things that absolutely do not matter in the real world. The problem though is edit programs that allow images to be viewed at 100%, which is a completely silly thing to do.

So, Mr Duckling, thank you for a nice image showing exactly that ISO 1600 is perfectly usable.

Regards............. Guy

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Re: Nothing wrong with a bit of grain
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Guy Parsons wrote:

duckling wrote:

This image prints nicely.

Yes, I've found that noise does not matter with printing, and my E-PL1 noise at 1600 is also "nice" noise and easy on the eye.

Anyone ever looked at scanned 35mm film? Even low ISO film is tragic by comparison.

like for like, I agree

but low ISO film is less grainy than u43 at 1600.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/weesam/4486557230/in/set-72157623602770409/lightbox/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/weesam/4493261486/in/set-72157623602770409/lightbox/

the noise of the OPs image is not a problem, I think the unhealthy green cast on the skin should be fixed though.

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Re: I'd do the same but I have other priorities at the minute
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The E-P3 is a lovely tool for taking photos but I can't quite justify it at the moment. Enjoy!

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Re: Oh dear
In reply to duckling, Sep 7, 2011

Hi Duckling,

what a great photo. I'm not at all surprised that on a gear forum like this, people dislike great photos for all the wrong reasons. The grain adds quite a lot of character. And about that "green tint". Suppose you try to remove it that would pull all the colours towards the red. So that arm in the background becomes red and the girl's face becomes fluorescent red. Great. Or, you could try to fix the colour of the arm all by itself. Sure, but why ?

The scene seems to be a dance class. In this kind of class, there is usually an array of lights in different colours. Quite possibly, the girl's arm is affected much more by a green light than the rest of the scene. It's not important. Take a step back from all your techniques for a second and enjoy the photo, because it happens to be great.

Peter.

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In reply to duckling, Sep 7, 2011

You've got emotion, you've got a motion.
This is a nice shot. The only feeling I have to see more below.

The strange thing is: I can't believe you got this shot with silver body camera. It has to be black.
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PeterLeyssens wrote:

Hi Duckling,

The scene seems to be a dance class. In this kind of class, there is usually an array of lights in different colours. Quite possibly, the girl's arm is affected much more by a green light than the rest of the scene. It's not important. Take a step back from all your techniques for a second and enjoy the photo, because it happens to be great.

I think Peter brings up a good point. Taking a good look at the photo, there are different colors reflected which can only come from the lighting IMO. The girl's face is lovely and the composition works well. I agree that taking a step back from the techy stuff is a good idea. The photo looks fine to me. Quite good actually - it has character too.

Maria

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Re: Late edit: Lovely photo BTW (NT)
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I'm with you...silver EP3 was intoxicating for me..
In reply to duckling, Sep 7, 2011

Trust me it's worth it. It's a pleasure to shoot with. I have the 45mm on order as well.

Congrats, and nice picture. Beautiful emotion in it.

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Re: Whoa...there is way, way too much noise in that photo...a green arm?
In reply to tjuster1, Sep 7, 2011

For all I know the skin color is dead on. Stage lighting etc. can do funny things. I like the shot.

Good luck with the camera!

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Re: Nothing wrong with a bit of grain
In reply to weesam, Sep 7, 2011

Still it would look much better in B&W.

Can the OP post a B&W version?

Thank you in advance.

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Green? Maybe she's a beginner …
In reply to weesam, Sep 7, 2011

… and the OP is being very subtle in demonstrating that.

weesam wrote:

I think the unhealthy green cast on the skin should be fixed ….

I agree, though; I would probably try to tweak out the green. And I must say, on my experience I would fail! I'm really crap at fixing color.

As for the noise (grain as it used to be) I see it as adding to atmosphere and information to the photo. It gives a sense of the kind of situation in which this shot was taken. Not a spotlit stage, but a relatively poorly lit classroom or rehearsal studio where the young dancers are working on their technique. A technologically perfect pic would tend to suggest a different level.

An old editor, explaining to me why I should get out of 125 ASA 6x6cm (120 roll film) and into 400 ASA 35mm for my photojournalism way back when, pointed out that a pin sharp, low grain picture of a war scene would convey much information about the reality of the scene than a grainy, perhaps somewhat blurred 35mm shot.

This situation is a sightly(!) less dramatic parallel in my view.

(PS: So I dumped the two Mamiya 330s with a full kit of lenses and bought two Oly OM-1s with 21mm, 28mm, 85mm and 200mm lenses, prospered selling pix, and preserved my back in reasonable nick for a few more years! :))

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Re: Oh dear
In reply to duckling, Sep 7, 2011

That is brilliant. Forget the weirt comments about the green arm. It's not really noticeable and the photo has a certain feel to it. Love it.

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In reply to stimmer, Sep 7, 2011

… oh why didn't they put a little P&S type flash in it? it would have added a handful of grams, literally, and as the OP points out, a built-in flash is just so useful for those occasions when you need a touch of fill-in flash, or for the kids' birthday parties (grand-kids, even great grand-kids in my case).

Oh well, just have to put up with it. In earlier days I might have said I'll wait for the next model; nowadays waiting for a year eats up a significant fraction of my remaining years so I'll just go with what's available!

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Re: Whoa...there is way, way too much noise in that photo...a green arm?
In reply to Corkcampbell, Sep 7, 2011

Corkcampbell wrote:

Perhaps its my monitor, but I doubt it. That photo would be great in B&W.

Actually, it looks very good - grain included - on an HP HDMI screen.

Difficult to know what they're up to - but I suggest the title, 'Adulation Of The Troll'

Nice photo, anyway - very expressive, and containing hidden depths of sensuality.....Phwooaaarrrr!!!!.....

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