Best Photographers

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weesam
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Re: jpg is not a hands off process
In reply to Ednaz, Aug 3, 2011

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No engineer decides what your JPG looks like. If you believe that, you need to take a class.

I don't need to take a class matey; I've been printing analogue and digital images for 25 years, professionally. Amongst others, I've collaborated on the writing and production of Photoshop Wow books. My prints have hung in the Natural History Museum, The National Gallery and The Australian Consulate in London. Apart from that, I don't give a flying eff how many awards your pal has. In this industry, awards are ten a penny.

RAW provides the potential for better images than JPG. No ifs, no buts. End of story.

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Re: jpg is not a hands off process - there is an if
In reply to weesam, Aug 3, 2011

weesam wrote:

Ednaz wrote:

No engineer decides what your JPG looks like. If you believe that, you need to take a class.

I don't need to take a class matey; I've been printing analogue and digital images for 25 years, professionally. Amongst others, I've collaborated on the writing and production of Photoshop Wow books. My prints have hung in the Natural History Museum, The National Gallery and The Australian Consulate in London. Apart from that, I don't give a flying eff how many awards your pal has. In this industry, awards are ten a penny.

RAW provides the potential for better images than JPG. No ifs, no buts. End of story.

It is no end because there is an if to add, the statement should look like this:

  • RAW provides the potential for better images than JPG, if the user knows well how to post process images and use a good program to do it

Now it is end of the story

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Best Photographers often fly under the radar...
In reply to Aleo Veuliah, Aug 3, 2011

and don't find it necessary to verbalize their philosophy. They make photographs for themselves, only. And their greatness is only realize years later by a few or many or no one at all.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/nyregion/thecity/12day.html?_r=1&ref=thecity

http://photooftheday.hughcrawford.com/1979.htm#1979/1

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Re: Best Photographers often fly under the radar...
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smallcams wrote:

and don't find it necessary to verbalize their philosophy. They make photographs for themselves, only. And their greatness is only realize years later by a few or many or no one at all.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/nyregion/thecity/12day.html?_r=1&ref=thecity

http://photooftheday.hughcrawford.com/1979.htm#1979/1

That is true,thank you for the urls

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Re: Best Photographers - Just to say
In reply to Aleo Veuliah, Dec 16, 2011

Just to say, Great thread, thank you Aleo for all the contents, and the discussion around this

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Re: Best Photographers - Just to say
In reply to Photo Grapher, Dec 16, 2011

And thanks to you for bringing this thread back to us m4/3sers. I either was traveling or whatever and didn't see this first time around. Great stuff Aleo!

And if was on any other forum, I wouldn't have ever seen it as this is the only forum I pay attention to. So thanks also for posting the op on this forum.

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Re: Gary Winogrand
In reply to Aleo Veuliah, Dec 16, 2011

Here's a link (hope nobody already posted it) to a guy who had a lot of quotes.
http://www.photoquotes.com/showquotes.aspx?id=22
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Re: I agree
In reply to amalric, Dec 16, 2011

amalric wrote:

There is a second point I would like to clarify. Once that one's intention is clear, one should get a minimal body of photographic techniques, and verify them with the simplest camera available

Those cost nothing, and are nowadays readily available in sites like Cambridge in colour .

To make an example the fastest AF will not replace a knowledge of Zone Focus for Street Shooting. This seems often ignored.

It would be nice if one was able to analyse a master's picture in terms of techniques used. I learned to do it for literary texts, but I am not a specialist in Iconography.

Use of techniques than leads to composition which is the province of Art and then to the use of Symbols.

Criticism is a sort of top down approach, but the artist works bottom up.

Gear and software, methinks, are an intermediate step - expert systems nowadays, which incorporate some of the knowledge, but not all.

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I think you are very correct in this. If you look at a well recognized photographers work, no matter the gear used (past a certain point of quality) doesn't matter so much after they attain that certain level of competence and comprehension. It may take them a while to learn their gear, and learn what they want to achieve in software, or printing...but once they get to that threshold, their style and vision will matter more. They will take interesting photographs whether a Leica or a Holga. I know of one of Europe's highest recognized fashion photographers who has done published magazine shoots with a 3mp digicam, and it looks the same style and creative bent, as does his work with a 1ds MkXX or the Pentax he was using last I saw. The lighting the style and above all the creativity.

I agree that good gear does make it easier for most, but creativity can overcome most obstacles.
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Re: Gary Winogrand
In reply to Lights, Dec 16, 2011

Lights wrote:

Here's a link (hope nobody already posted it) to a guy who had a lot of quotes.
http://www.photoquotes.com/showquotes.aspx?id=22
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http://barriolson.aminus3.com/

Like the Joker said: Why so serious?

Thank you, indeed, good quotes

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Re: Thank you, Photo Grapher, for remembering this thread (nt)
In reply to Aleo Veuliah, Dec 16, 2011
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Re: Gary Winogrand:addendum
In reply to Lights, Dec 16, 2011

One of my favorites by Winogrand:

You have a lifetime to learn technique. But I can teach you what is more important than technique, how to see; learn that and all you have to do afterwards is press the shutter. - Garry Winogrand

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Re: Thank you, Photo Grapher, for remembering this thread (nt)
In reply to Aleo Veuliah, Mar 18, 2012

It is me that have to thank you again, no wonder this thread is on the list of the most bookmarked 22 now with my bookmark

It is nice to see from time to time threads about the Photography it self, sometimes I get bored of to much gear talk, but is the way it is here on Dpreview

Hope some users will add more interesting sites from great Photographers

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Re: Thank you, Photo Grapher, for remembering this thread (nt)
In reply to Photo Grapher, Apr 4, 2012

Photo Grapher wrote:

It is me that have to thank you again, no wonder this thread is on the list of the most bookmarked 22 now with my bookmark

It is nice to see from time to time threads about the Photography it self, sometimes I get bored of to much gear talk, but is the way it is here on Dpreview

Hope some users will add more interesting sites from great Photographers

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Thank you Photo Grapher, I hope the same but the thread is not new, some will not see it even on the most bookmarked

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Re: Best Photographers
In reply to Aleo Veuliah, Apr 5, 2012

I always liked what Bresson said in an interview (I think I saw it on public TV or somewhere) When the interviewer asked him why as a painter he became a photographer and he answered "because photography is much faster"....that somehow hit me as really funny.
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Re: Thank you, Photo Grapher, for remembering this thread (nt)
In reply to Aleo Veuliah, Apr 5, 2012

I enjoyed the original posting and the links, but I remember reading the sequence of names: Godard, Cartier-Bresson, Capa, Adams, Arbus, ... Giants all.

But then (wait for it): Rockwell.

Rockwell? Ken Rockwell? With the rest of those geniuses?

I don't know about any of the rest of you, but that made me throw up in mouth a little bit.

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Re: Thank you, Photo Grapher, for remembering this thread (nt)
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MrFoopy wrote:

I enjoyed the original posting and the links, but I remember reading the sequence of names: Godard, Cartier-Bresson, Capa, Adams, Arbus, ... Giants all.

But then (wait for it): Rockwell.

Rockwell? Ken Rockwell? With the rest of those geniuses?

I don't know about any of the rest of you, but that made me throw up in mouth a little bit.

At least, someone points that one

It was on purpose, it is my Portuguese humor .... Ahah

Glad you noticed

Hope some may post other new good photographers on this thread
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Re: Best Photographers
In reply to Lights, Apr 5, 2012

I have made another thread with an 1 hour video of HCB voice and images, but vimeo removed it, I can no longer see it anywhere, if someone find that video please post, the name of the video was, The decisive moment

This is the thread URL

Lights wrote:

I always liked what Bresson said in an interview (I think I saw it on public TV or somewhere) When the interviewer asked him why as a painter he became a photographer and he answered "because photography is much faster"....that somehow hit me as really funny.
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Like the Joker said: Why so serious?

A photo may be worth a thousand words but it takes up a lot more space on your hard drive.

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Re: Another URL
In reply to Aleo Veuliah, May 31, 2012

Here another URL with some:

http://www.photo-seminars.com/fame.htm

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Off topic......
In reply to Aleo Veuliah, May 31, 2012

are any of these u 4/3 photo's?

No.

Is any of this specific to u 4/3 cameras?

No.

Is this thread posted in the wrong forum?

Yes.

Please ask the Moderators to move this thread to the General Photography forum.

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Re: No one but you, says that is Off Topic
In reply to tedolf, May 31, 2012

Here on Micro Four Thirds Forum, no one complains but you , and HERE there are a lot of people that liked the thread

I don't know who is moderator but the thread is among the most bookmarked

If you don't like don't post here, I though you were a more open minded person, but it seems you only like to complain with no reason

There are many that appreciate Photography , and not only talk about gear

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