SD1 full size disillusion (landscapes, nature)

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petr marek
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SD1 full size disillusion (landscapes, nature)
Jun 27, 2011
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Re: SD1 full size disillusion (landscapes, nature)
In reply to petr marek, Jun 27, 2011

petr marek wrote:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/52010240@N06/5870115301/sizes/o/in/photostream/

My opinion:

smooth color surface patterns/noise splashes (like 8-bit tonal transitions!), unsecure colors, contrast edges disaster, insufficient lenses (chromatic aberation, soft...)

Wow, the edge of of the cliff to the right is really nasty, along with the rope on the flagpole...probably more the lens than the sensor?

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Re: SD1 full size disillusion (landscapes, nature)
In reply to commiebiker, Jun 27, 2011

The better the sensor the more demand it puts on the lens. Only Sigma's macros are probably good enough right now.

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Re: SD1 full size disillusion (landscapes, nature)
In reply to petr marek, Jun 28, 2011

I did not waste my time digging out the exif on these things, but I know the first one was taken with an alpha camera using firmware 0.57. AFAIK, that image should not have been posted. If you are really keen on dissing Sigma, I could probably figure out when all of these were taken. I suspect all of Shinzo's come from that camera.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/shinzofukui/5817478021/sizes/o/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/52010240@N06/5870049831/sizes/o/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/52010240@N06/5870115301/sizes/o/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/52010240@N06/5864829301/sizes/o/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ka_tate/5848262419/sizes/o/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ka_tate/5848261007/sizes/o/in/photostream/

My opinion:

smooth color surface patterns/noise splashes (like 8-bit tonal transitions!), unsecure colors, contrast edges disaster, insufficient lenses (chromatic aberation, soft...)

Than compare with competition high ISO performance, speed and processing, price...
I wouldn´t buy it.

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Sigma's silence is a PR nightmare of their own making
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I would think Sigma would do everything they can to show the world the camera is worth the high price. Instead, they have silenced up and let the very, very poor early photos speak for them. I have no issue with the price if the IQ can justify it. It's strange that they're not defending their product with proof.

I see a lot of nasty color blotches and banding in the skies. I see a lot of smearing in the trees. These are very disappointing samples.

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Re: Sigma's silence is a PR nightmare of their own making
In reply to calxn, Jun 28, 2011

dont you have to live with a camera for awhile to get to know it and get the most out of it ?

didnt ansel adams spend years getting to know his view camera before he felt that his work was of merit ?

cant it be that Sigma is having huge supply problems now and really dont want or cant sell many sd1 ones at this time because of the earthquake ?

after all - there are big news stories now that people cant buy the car models they want because of the quake.

there sure is alot of BS on this forum

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In reply to calxn, Jun 28, 2011

calxn wrote:

I would think Sigma would do everything they can to show the world the camera is worth the high price. Instead, they have silenced up and let the very, very poor early photos speak for them. I have no issue with the price if the IQ can justify it. It's strange that they're not defending their product with proof.

I see a lot of nasty color blotches and banding in the skies. I see a lot of smearing in the trees. These are very disappointing samples.

It's not just Sigma -- other camera companies have put out lame pics from their new product that were far from representative of the capability of the equipment. I can't for the life of me understand why they do it.

Anyway, you can find crap pics from any system. I'd wait until a competent photographer put out the goods before making any kind of determination.

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Are those from final released firmware?
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I ask because some of those where from pre-release. Check Carl's stuff:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rytterfalk/5870344267/sizes/o/in/photostream/

I say it looks pretty good though I did catch some posterization in some of his family shots with SPP 5, but I would also imagine that's partially SPP need to improve for this particular camera model. I did spot a very mild Foven like red spot in someone's shadow area... so perhaps shadows are a bit more problematic.

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Yeah Petr, I think those are pre-release firmware, I wouldn't consider them...
In reply to Raist3d, Jun 28, 2011

as representative of the final deal.

Check Carl Ryterfalk's website and the raws for download.

It sure would be interesting to see landscape shots like these with final firmware though, with shadows in them.

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Re: Yeah Petr, I think those are pre-release firmware, I wouldn't consider them...
In reply to Raist3d, Jun 28, 2011

Raist3d wrote:

as representative of the final deal.

Check Carl Ryterfalk's website and the raws for download.

It sure would be interesting to see landscape shots like these with final firmware though, with shadows in them.

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And taken with a good lens.

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Re: Yeah Petr, I think those are pre-release firmware, I wouldn't consider them...
In reply to mike earussi, Jun 28, 2011

single-pixel sharpness:

http://twitpic.com/5e9un4/full

try something like a 0.5 radius smart-sharpening if it looks undersharpened to you.

and yes, don't waste your time with fukui's pre-prod samples!

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I will admit Cine that shot isn't as impressive to me...
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the colors seem off. I see some areas of detail and others not so (but that's the lens). But I am also seeing some weird colors in the shadows (it's not bad but that this is ISO 100 and this can be seen doesn't speak well for a high iso performance).

Seems like the first Foveon, this Foveon likes good light.

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And that's why you don't release many pre-release images
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petr marek wrote:

My opinion:

smooth color surface patterns/noise splashes (like 8-bit tonal transitions!), unsecure colors, contrast edges disaster, insufficient lenses (chromatic aberation, soft...)

Than compare with competition high ISO performance, speed and processing, price...
I wouldn´t buy it.

Why did you go find the worst possible samples, samples from a version of the firmware that existed long before they even got cameras out to shoot a handful of official prer-release photos?

These shots are of no use for judging anything, because we already know the camera can do better from other shots. The way to determine what you can get out of a camera is to try and find the best possible shots, determine what helped the technical quality, and proceed from there.

I mean I wouldn't buy the D3X either from its sample gallery as the landscape shot they had it in looked as mushy as your first photo link. But obviously the camera can do better than those images, and the same is true of the SD-1.

If you are serious about quality determination you should at least make a minimal effort to not come off as a troll seeking to post only the most negative possible things.

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In reply to petr marek, Jun 28, 2011

I’m not that disappointed. Foveon’s strength is great fine details, and some of these images certainly demonstrate this attribute of Foveon. It is, however, also evident that the new sensor presents much bigger challenges to the lenses and photographers. Chromatic aberration is more pronounced, and edge and corner can be quite soft even when FF lenses are used. Wide angle lenses seem to struggle a lot in these respects. But then why bother with SD1 for landscape if WA lenses don’t do justice to its sensor?

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I dunno what D3x Nikon sample you are looking at but...
In reply to Kendall Helmstetter Gelner, Jun 28, 2011

the one I saw had plenty of detail…

The big question: why Sigma doesn't replace their entire pre release gallery with the real thing already. It works against them for obvious reasons.

It's beyond comprehension.

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In reply to Kendall Helmstetter Gelner, Jun 28, 2011

Theres no key differencies between pre- and production photos made by cameras like Canon, Nikon, Panasonic and others. I don´t eat that BS. If you think some firmware will fix sensor banding and noise splashes, than good luck with such a camera! I have no excuse for Sigma after so long time.

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Re: SD1 full size disillusion (landscapes, nature)
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petr marek wrote:

Theres no key differencies between pre- and production photos made by cameras like Canon, Nikon, Panasonic and others.

Hahahah... Hahha. Ha.

I've seen some absolute horrors from pre-release cameras. Absolutely unusable. Where the benchmark between pre and post is is another matter, but trust me - until every journalist was a "blogger" and everyone with a computer claimed to be a journalist, the media were shown hardware that could be handled but wouldn't take a recognisable picture.

Companies are just getting savvy to idiots feeling there's some personal gain in running off with unusable pre-production files and publishing them.

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Re: No excuse
In reply to RKGoth, Jun 28, 2011

The butterfly photo is made with a final FW, it's a 400 iso image, and, for me, it's just awful...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ka_tate/5848262419/meta/in/photostream

Another butterfly(comon blue), another camera :

Made with a cheap Sigma 70-300 apo mounted on a Pentax K-5, (320 iso, 300mm, F9, 1/400s))

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